Why I Hate Ginny Weasley

Some quick notes:
1 – I am not one of those people who thinks Bonnie Wright is “ugly”.
2 – Nor am I jealous of Ginny, or angry that Harry didn’t shack up with Hermione – or even Draco. For the record, I hated Ginny long before I shipped H/Hr.
3 – Ginny Weasley is the only character I hate in the Harry Potter books. Notice that word there – books – When it comes to the films, I am utterly bored or indifferent to her.

If you’re an active part of the Harry Potter fandom, or know how to google, then you probably already know that that Ginny is one of “the biggest polarizing characters in the series” (along with Snape, and to a far lesser extent, Draco).

For a long while, Ginny was a character that I quite enjoyed in the series. I even named my cat after her (because Hermione just seemed too long for a little kitten). However, the change in Ginny’s character in books 5/6 (most noticeably 6) was just downright infuriating. Hopefully, I will be able to focus my points into a well-flowing structure; and not some wayward rant. So, bear with me.

For a lot of reasons, I think Ginny Weasley is a Mary-Sue. Now, someone has taken the liberty to do the Mary-Sue Litmus test for Ginny, and results were negative. I beg to differ:

  1. From the get-go, she is set up to be the long-term romantic interest for the series hero.
  2. She is beautiful. I mean, beautiful enough for a Slytherin (Blaise Zabini) to think so.
  3. She is overly skilled, from Quidditch to Jinxes.
  4. She is popular, and not just in her own house.
  5. Her only flaw is her temper, but even then she is never pulled up for being a bitch.

Now, I know that JKR always intended for Ginny to be that sort of character. It is even hinted in early books:
Chamber of Secrets Ron says that Ginny “never shuts up, normally.” And we are constantly reminded that Ginny is a loud and confident girl – when Harry is not around.
– We are fed tidbits of information about Ginny, namely that she is quite popular amongst her year level.
– Finally, when Harry breaks up with her during Dumbledore’s funeral, Ginny says something along the lines of “Hermione told me to be more like myself around you.”

The thing is JKR knew that Ginny was Harry’s soul mate right from the beginning. And therein lies a big problem. When it came to Half Blood Prince, JKR just tried waaaayyy too hard for us to love Ginny, and have us accept her as being worthy enough for our hero, Harry, to love. Out of nowhere, BAM, Ginny is just “awesome.” She is pretty, popular, allegedly funny (I say allegedly, because her humor is always at the expense of others), great at Quidditch, and a strong witch (I mean… she joined the Slug Club, because of a Bat-Bogey hex… seriously?). She is just too perfect. At least Hermione and Ron’s relationship had flaws – which made them real.

Which brings up another point: Ginny is not a fleshed out character. She is eternally one-sided. She is either Ron’s shy and awkward sister; or this perfect girl that everybody adores. Where is the realism in that? Ginny’s development is not gradual or subtle. We start a book (Chamber of Secrets or Half Blood Prince), are bombarded with how to perceive Ginny as a character, and that’s how she remains until the last page.

Truth is, we don’t know Ginny. All we know of her is how Harry sees her. Which is, at first, just Ron’s sister (she is easily glanced over in early books), or someone that Harry wants to bang (apologies for not being able to convey that more eloquently). If we look beyond the way Harry, and apparently everyone else at Hogwarts who adores this demi-bitch, Ginny is nothing more than a mean girl. Some may argue that this is due to Harry’s changing perception of her — which really only tells us that Harry sees her as a insolent, violent and passive-aggressive girl. As PK has pointed out in the comments:

I don’t think “Harry’s perspective” is anywhere near close to cutting it either. If it were true that everything we see of Ginny is what Harry perceives her as, wow, that is even worse for her character bc Harry sees her as a near-sociopathic, mean, rude, childish bully.

As for the term bully, some may brush this aside due to the fact Ginny was not an overt aggressor (like James or Draco), or was only responding when provoked. Firstly, just because someone is provoked does not give them permission to sink to the instigator’s level. If anything, a better and more admirable quality would be to rise about another person’s taunts. Furthermore, also pointed out by PK:

[Ginny] goes out of her way to say Luna is “all right,” but negates that statement by calling her “Loony.” She is a passive aggressive bully, which is just as bad as an outright bully bc it’s harder to call someone out on it, hence everything Ginny gets away with.

 

My hatred for her probably erupted when I read Half Blood Prince. Upon reading, I was horrified to see that Ginny had turned into this rude, loud mouth, boy crazy goddess. Of course, there were hints of that during Order of the Phoenix. I do recall being ticked off when Ginny snapped at Hermione after Harry and the twins were banned from Quidditch (like, seriously girl, who do you think you are yelling at Hermione? Guuurrl, learn your place).

But, in the 6th book? She was utterly HORRIBLE! From the moment we saw her – calling her soon-to-be sister-in-law “Phlegm”, pretending to vomit into cereal, and flouncing about the house in a nasty – BULLYING – imitation of Fleur. Personally, I never saw behaviour from Fleur that would warrant such nastiness – no, bitchiness – to be aimed at her. And, even if your brother is dating someone you don’t like, what gives you the right to be such a cow about it? Grow up.

But it wasn’t just her attitude towards Fleur. Throughout Half-blood Prince, Ginny exhibited insolence (the Quidditch match, a prime example), used boys to get Harry’s attention (we all know she didn’t have genuine feelings for Dean or Michael; she only ever had eyes for Harry), was horribly judgmental – and never called out on it – and was emphasized on being well-liked by almost everyone (remember Pansy calling out Blaise on the Hogwarts Express?). Personally, I don’t see the justice in that. All I see is a horrible girl – and I compare her to the horrible girls I went to school with – who is being rewarded.

A common misconception is that Mary-Sue’s are “perfect” characters, or characters without flaws. This is incorrect. There are many subcategories of Sues – and, I do feel the need to point out Self-Insertion Sue, Bella Swan from Twilight. To those arguing that Ginny is without flaw, you are wrong. She does have flaws – very minor or unmentioned – but, more often than not she is either rewarded for them (being rude, judgmental and temperamental), are ignored, or framed into a positive-light. (“Oh, someone pissed you off and you hexed him? Welcome to the Slug Club, you hot-tempered, belligerent cow! Well done!) She escapes all consequences.

Half-Blood Prince aside, Ginny is still pretty darn annoying. From the few times that she is mentioned in previous books, she comes across as either whiny or self-righteous (a Leo trait she shares with Harry). In Goblet of Fire, Ginny accepted an invitation to the Yule Ball from Neville Longbottom. When she realised that Harry was still looking for a date, she whined in return: “I accepted an invite from Neville, or else I wouldn’t have been able to go.” Don’t get me wrong – this is exactly the sort of thing a 13 year old girl would say – so, kudos to JKR for that one – but it was still something that I read and felt a pang of disdain.

Furthermore, when we’re introduced to Luna Lovegood (or, the scene outside the Herbology green house), Ginny is shown to be defending Luna from bullies. Don’t get me wrong, it’s an admirable trait to have. But every time I read that scene, I envision Ginny to be conducting herself in a somewhat holier-than-thou manner. I almost hear her inner-monologue “Oh, I am so above you people – look at how nice I am to the strange girl!” It’s like in Mean Girls when Regina is nice to Cady.

Of course, these last two points are merely my interpretation of the text. These are not perfect examples of how Ginny is a terrible character in general, simply reasons for why I do not like her.

So, hopefully that should cover Book!Ginny – if not, I’m sure I will remember some points later.

Regarding Film!Ginny:

I am not opening up a conversation of hatred towards Bonnie Wright.

Truth is, Bonnie Wright is so far removed from Ginny in the books, it’s not even funny. Is Bonnie the femme fatal Ginny, supposedly, grew up to be? No – but she is far from ugly. When the effort is put in (by effort, I mean hair and makeup), she is quite pretty.

Bonnie’s presence on screen does no justice to Book!Ginny. Is this a reflection of Bonnie’s acting skills? Possibly – her only high profile acting job has been Harry Potter, so we are yet to see her range. But, personally, from Bonnie’s personal pictures she looks far more fun and “Ginny-like” in real life:
In real life, Bonnie Wright exudes confidence and an ability to have fun, both of which are qualities she is lacking on screen. Suffice to say, the problem with Film!Ginny probably lies within David Yates and Steve Kloves.

Prior to Yates, Ginny had been handled quite well on screen, particularly Goblet of Fire (looking back, perhaps her portrayal here is where I was inspired to name my cat after her). Kloves, on the other hand is a blatant Harry/Hermione shipper (see http://www.frakearth.com/apps/blog/show/prev?from_id=6804737). That, and prior to Half Blood Prince, WB had been commercializing Harry and Hermione’s relationship; yet we saw nothing like that for Harry and Ginny.

But my dislike for Ginny Weasley has nothing to do with Bonnie Wright or the films. Yes, Ginny in the films is lacking confidence, charisma and allure. She is bland on screen, boring and forgettable – but there is only so much she can do with the material she is given. Kloves writes Ginny into the background whenever he can, gives her little-to-no lines (and the lines she has are uninspiring and dull), and gives her zero personality.

So, on two mediums, Ginny Weasley is a difficult character for me to enjoy. It’s come to the point where, only recently, I have decided to create my own Ginny Weasley. Now, whenever I read the books or watch the films, I try to envision Ginny as Rachel Hurd Wood (the actress who played Wendy Darling in the 2003 film, Peter Pan – alongside Jason Isaacs/Lucius Malfoy, as well :p). I am doing everything I can to reinvent the character for myself, in both appearance and personality. My Ginny isn’t ill-mannered, obnoxious, or put on a pedestal – nor is she boring, plain or someone I would easily look over on screen.

In the end, nothing is perfect. Not even Harry Potter. And, for me, Ginny Weasley will always be that one thing that could have been better.

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96 thoughts on “Why I Hate Ginny Weasley

  1. Jeyna Grace says:

    Ginny was hard to like for me.. though I never hated her. She was just… there. I didn’t bother much with her. But I do think the film could have chosen a different actress to play her.

    • Daenara Shayde says:

      I think it would’ve been better if she was just offed in the final battle to be honest. Everyone knew all throughout the books, it was so predictable that Ginny would’ve ended up with Harry. I think it would’ve been so better that JK did the unexpected thing, offed her, and Harry ended up making a connection in the final few books with a character not from Gryffindor. So many characters are elaborated in Gryffindor, but only one or two from other houses and they rent even fleshed out much! What about a Harry that gets with Susan Bones and forms a connection with Amelia Bones of the DMLE who trains him in the way of an Auror? What about a Harry that gets with Cho, who maybe has a family who knows assassin magic or some crap that Harry learns to take out death eaters? What about a Harry that gets with Daphne Greengrass who helps him decimate Death Eaters in the political arena where all their clout is? What about a Harry that gets with Luna, who teaches him to persevere through the hatred of the Wizarding world with her strange quirks? What about Gabrielle or Fleur, forming a connection in the French ministry or the Veela colonies to help the fight against the Death eaters, and giv him some self confidence and a center. No, we’ll just stick him with Ginny Weasley so JK can satisfy the childish wish that a character (person) can somehow make a fan crush actually come true. Even though the sudden “green monster crap” of how Harry was jealous was completely strong armed into the story and completely unbelievable in the first place. To be honest, as a character, Ginny didn’t add much to the story for me, aside from leading Dumbledore’s army (like, why not Neville? Why someone who has show little predisposition for actual serious combat, aside from a stupid bat bogey hex- oHH, A DEATH EATER! *Casts bat bogey spell* “oh my god, ouch, AVADA KEDAVRA. BYE-). Honestly it really mugged me off that Ginny was suddenly Harry’s romantic interest, there was little to no romantic build up, not much actual encounters to actually provoke a serious bond, and completely out of the blue bull. I actually loved Harry Potter, but in my opinion, that relationship, and multitudes of others, ruined the final books for me, so to be honest, I just forget that such a stupid, crap relationship like Hinny (Ugly ship name too) ever existed. I agree wit you. I hate Ginny Weasley.

  2. christina says:

    very well written, I dislike book Ginny as well. I used to like her character till the 6th book. You pretty much summed up all of my opinions on her

  3. Blah says:

    Great article. Very well written. I agree with everything you’ve said. I knew there was something about Ginny I never liked, something that I just couldn’t put my finger on. You’ve shown me what that was.

  4. Sara says:

    I agree. With all of it. You wrote that down very well. Couldn’t exactly point out what I disliked either but I’m pretty sure it all summed together, is what I dislike about her. I really hate seeing her name in books.

  5. Ayesha Khan says:

    omg I totally agree with you . I never liked Ginny when I read how horrible she was to Fleur ( inwardly she was just so jealous of Fleur ) and then when Hermione said to harry and ron how Ginny has told her all about Luna and from the sound of it Ginny really bad mouthed Luna and made fun of her …. Then for the fact how she was moving from one boy to another , and a lot of things …. Hate Ginny !!!

    • Hermione +harry💑 says:

      Loathe character ginny- no flaws!
      Apart from ‘hot temper’ and some think it’s a pro not con!
      Harry and hermione should’ve ended up together.

  6. Leslie says:

    Thank you so much for writing this!! I kind of felt sorry for Ginny the first couple of books and then the Order of the Phoenix and the Half Blood Prince happened. She became this, in my opinion, annoying person. I don’t hate Bonnie Wright and I try really hard not to equate her with my Ginny dislike (as they are separate people)

  7. A Matter Of Time says:

    Very good piece, and I agree with you on several points. Ginny comes across as this ultra perfect girl who can do no wrong, and it does seem like JK does try too hard to justify her actions (being rude about Fleur etc etc). What I will say is that JK put Harry’s point of view across brilliantly in Half Blood Prince, although I would’ve loved Harry to stay with Cho.

  8. carerra050068 says:

    FINALLY SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS COMPLETELY! I so agree with you because 1)She’s thinks of herself too much 2)Damsel in distress 3)There is NO ONE MOMENT where Harry is there and she’s not blushing furiously, stammering, screeching or shrieking his name, being possessive of Harry, slutty dating Gryffindor boys, insolent behavior or being a total damsel in distress! I’d think that Harry would be paired with someone who could keep his toes on like some kind yet badass girl but NOOOO! Ms Rowling just had to pair Damsel-In-Distress-Slut-Whore-Cock-Ginny-Shitless-Constipated-Quirrel-Bitch-Weasley! I mean no offence to Ms Molly Weasley but that woman’s daughter has a mother hen mode in her! Harry has to have someone who understands what he’s going through and be there for him, worry yes but not so extreme that he gets a lashing. He may or may not have duties yet to fufill in the future and for once, understand that he’s a SURVIVOR not a lazy witch sitting at home, drinking coffee and enjoying his day while waiting for more work! No! He travels, an adventurer, a person who gets easily bored with peace an stability and who wouldn’t? I would! After years of being haunted by Voldemort, the tension, the fear and the anxiety , people who experience these are far likely people that can’t sit still in a country or place for the rest of their lives, he’s one an I reckon he’d rather be single than marry Ginny and stay in a house cooped up. Ginny’s the type to want to settle down quickly an have children, have a happy married life without worries, SHE’S A WOMAN WHO STAYS FOREVER ROOTED TO A SPOT. So Harry should at least have someone who is like him yet different in many aspects. NOT LIKE GINNY WHOSE A FUCKING MARY SUE! Characters out of the book like Kagome Higurashi might suit him though its only my opinion…
    ALL HAIL AND LIVE FOREVER TO RHOSE WHO HATE GINNY BITCHY WEASLEY!…. No offense to any other Weasley family members

    • TheBoyWhoWasAWizard says:

      Personally I am a Hinny shipper , but you obviously have your own opinion, which I respect. But there’s something in your (admittedly rather well thought out) comment that bugs me. It’s the fact that you think that Ginny would be a ‘stay at home’ mum. She is ANYTHING but that! In fact, I’d expect that to be from Harry, (not the mum part but you get the point) because he wants his children to have the best childhood possible, perhaps in a way trying to fill in his own loveless childhood. I’m not saying he would stay at home 24/7, as he is an Auror, but would probably be the kind to rush home after work to get there as soon as possible. No, Ginny was on the Holyhead Harpies quidditch team, and became a reporter after that. In no way would she be the type to stay at home, knit, and gossip all the time. She wants a bit of action in her life, yet also wants to have the time to take care of her children. And to be honest, it’s one of the things that probably made Harry fall for her in the first place. But as I said, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. This isn’t to insult you, just to point out a mistake in your comment.

  9. Higurashi Tatsuya says:

    FINALLY SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS COMPLETELY! I so agree with you because 1)She’s thinks of herself too much 2)Damsel in distress 3)There is NO ONE MOMENT where Harry is there and she’s not blushing furiously, stammering, screeching or shrieking his name, being possessive of Harry, slutty dating Gryffindor boys, insolent behavior or being a total damsel in distress! I’d think that Harry would be paired with someone who could keep his toes on like some kind yet badass girl but NOOOO! Ms Rowling just had to pair Damsel-In-Distress-Slut-Whore-Cock-Ginny-Shitless-Constipated-Quirrel-Bitch-Weasley! I mean no offence to Ms Molly Weasley but that woman’s daughter has a mother hen mode in her! Harry has to have someone who understands what he’s going through and be there for him, worry yes but not so extreme that he gets a lashing. He may or may not have duties yet to fufill in the future and for once, understand that he’s a SURVIVOR not a lazy witch sitting at home, drinking coffee and enjoying his day while waiting for more work! No! He travels, an adventurer, a person who gets easily bored with peace an stability and who wouldn’t? I would! After years of being haunted by Voldemort, the tension, the fear and the anxiety , people who experience these are far likely people that can’t sit still in a country or place for the rest of their lives, he’s one an I reckon he’d rather be single than marry Ginny and stay in a house cooped up. Ginny’s the type to want to settle down quickly an have children, have a happy married life without worries, SHE’S A WOMAN WHO STAYS FOREVER ROOTED TO A SPOT. So Harry should at least have someone who is like him yet different in many aspects. NOT LIKE GINNY WHOSE A FUCKING MARY SUE! Characters out of the book like Kagome Higurashi might suit him though its only my opinion…
    ALL HAIL AND LIVE FOREVER TO RHOSE WHO HATE GINNY BITCHY WEASLEY!…. No offense to any other Weasley family members

  10. Jiggly Joe says:

    Okay, I know this was written a while ago (as well as the comments) but I need to respond with a rant to get this off my mind.

    Starting off, I did not read the entire article – I know, I know, but it’s 7am and I’ve not slept yet. Besides, I’m not here to bash you aimlessly (or at all).

    Now, I don’t hate Ginny Weasley. I

  11. Jiggly Joe says:

    Okay, I know this was written a while ago (as well as the comments) but I need to respond with a rant to get this off my mind.

    Starting off, I did not read the entire article – I know, I know, but it’s 7am and I’ve not slept yet. Besides, I’m not here to bash you aimlessly (or at all).

    Now, I don’t hate Ginny Weasley. You could say I like her I guess (I have a soft spot for main characters and their canon pairings… most of the time.) Really, I’m indifferent to her.

    I agree, her humor is typically at the expense of others (bitch-trait, yes, but likely also the result of being raised in a poor family with six older brothers, one of which is a stuck-up prick, and two are prankster which have fun at the expense of others purely by definition.. not an excuse, but I’m just saying.)

    I also agree that sixth year we were just… blindsided. Like we turned a corner and suddenly BAM, a big load of Ginny is being shoved down our throats. Suddenly Harry is madly in love with this girl that he’s barely had any on-screen (on-page) interaction with! (WWhich is actually MIGHTY suspicious considering that love potions made by her older brothers were introduced at the start of the book… yeah, that’s not what she was trying to imply with that, but… LOL) Abrupt, yes, not entirely unexpected though, just very poorly executed. (Almost as abrupt as the crush on Cho Chang, no mention of her at all and then suddenly OH THERE’S THIS GIRL HARRY HAS A CRUSH ON! that gets excused because it was somewhat early in the series, though it was far enough in to make it annoying.)

    That’s where my problems with it end though, and the first one isn’t a problem, just a negative personality trait that’s pretty damn common in a teenager.

    This is what I don’t get though – Ginny is a slut? She dated two boys before Harry… in seven years at Hogwarts, she had three boyfriends? One of which she ended up marrying which, in the way it was told, implies that he was not only just her third but her FINAL boyfriend ever as well? And it’s never implied that she’s done more than make out with the other two? OMG SHE SO SLUTTY. Give me a break. (This is in regard to the comments, not sure if you said that or not.)

    Cho Chang wanted closure. Her reasons for going out with Harry were not because she liked him, or at least that was far from the MAIN reason. She spent her entire ‘relationship’ with Harry breaking down and crying (yes, her boyfriend died a year before but she should not have gone out with Harry to begin with.)… and she was incredibly jealous and possessive for no reason. Oh yeah, sobbing girl that wants Harry – the brash Gryfindor that likes to take charge and keep others from getting hurt – on a leash. MEANT TO BE TOGETHER.

    and maybe Ron and Hermione’s… differences make for a more ‘realistic’ relationship, however the epilogue does not. Realistically, Hermione and Ron would have been over and done – QUICKLY. There’s ‘opposites attract’ and then there’s lighting a stick of dynamite with a short fuse and expecting it NOT to blow up.

    • rial882013 says:

      If the bit about Ginny not being slutty is at the comments down here, the writer of the article didn’t mention Ginny’s relationship as a negative. She didn’t mention them at all.

      But yeah, even if Ginny decided to screw around Hogwarts and have a harem of her own, good for her. Having relationships outside of Harry has nothing to do with my dislike or the author’s dislike of Ginny. If anything, it’s about the only thing I like about her.

      My problem is her sense of self-entitlement, her arrogance, and especially how she can get so damned violent so easily.

  12. ladylavinia1932 says:

    I had no problems with Ginny dating other guys before Harry. I don’t understand why she had to be some vestal virgin (even from a dating point of view). She was a red-blooded adolescent girl. Kudos to her for having a series of healthy romances.

    On the other hand, I thought Ginny was a real bitch in “HALF BLOOD PRINCE”. I never understood why Rowling thought readers would find her bad temper, bullying (especially toward Ron), ill use of magic (with no repercussions) and possessiveness toward anyone who orbited near Harry attractive.

  13. Courtney says:

    I also regard the movie Ginny ( played by Bonnie Wright )
    with indifference. I’ve nothing against her.

    I even liked Ginny in Chamber of Secrets-
    she tried to tell Harry and her brother
    about the chambers. She loves cats.
    She was fairly endearing all in all- I don’t think one person can say
    that they hated her when she was only 11 years old.

    However: I couldn’t stand her in later books.
    My main issue is/was Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince:
    I couldn’t-can’t-stand her.

    What happened to that 11 year old?

    The first strike against her was in Chapter Five: An Excess of Phlegm.

    Here’s the description of Fleur: page 91-92 from Half Blood Prince:

    [Start]

    A young woman was standing in the doorway, a woman of such breathtaking beauty that the room seemed to have become strangely airless.
    She was tall and willowy with long blonde hair and appeared to emanate a faint, silvery glow. To complete this vision of perfection, she was carrying a heavily laden breakfast tray.

    “‘Arry,” she said in a throaty voice. “Eet ‘as been too long!”

    As she swept over the threshold toward him, Mrs. Weasley was revealed, bobbing along in her wake, looking rather cross.

    “There was no need to bring up the tray, I was just about to do it myself!”

    “Eet was no trouble,” said Fleur Delacour, setting the tray across Harry’s knees and then swooping to kiss him on each cheek: He felt the places where her mouth had touched him burn.

    “I ‘ave been longing to see ‘im. You remember my seester, Gabrielle?
    She never stops talking about ‘Arry Potter. She will be delighted to see you again.”

    “Oh…is she here too?” Harry croaked.

    “No, no, silly boy,” said Fleur with a tinkling laugh, “I mean
    next summer, when we-but do you not know?”

    Her great blue eyes widened and she looked reproachfully at Mrs. Weasley, who said, “We hadn’t got around to telling him yet.”

    Fleur turned back to Harry, swinging her silvery sheet of hair so fast that it whipped Mrs. Weasley across the face.

    “Bill and I are going to be married!”

    “Oh,” said Harry blankly. He could not help noticing how Mrs. Weasley, Hermione, and Ginny were all determinedly avoiding one another’s gaze.
    “Wow. Er-congratulations!”

    She swooped down upon him and kiss him again.

    “Bill is very busy at ze moment, working very ‘ard, and I only work part-time at Gringotts for my Eenglish, so he brought me ‘ere for a few days to get to know ‘is family properly. I was so pleased to ‘ear that you would be coming-zere isn’t much to do here, unless you like cooking and chickens! Well-enjoy your breakfast, ‘Arry!”

    With these words she turned gracefully and seemed to float out of the room, closing the door quietly behind her.

    [End]

    No where here is Fleur intentionally rude: she is very sweet to Harry, genuinely pleased to see him. I will concede to the fact that some of her statements can be perceived as insults, when they’re really not-she’s just blunt and straightforward. Examples of this can be found 131-132:

    Here’s one instance: “…Bill and I ‘ave almost decided on only two bridesmaids, Ginny and Gabrielle will look very sweet togezzer. I am theenking of dressing zem in pale gold-pink would of course be ‘orrible’ with Ginny’s ‘air-”

    All she’s saying is that pink clashes with red. No big deal.

    So you can imagine my revulsion at hearing
    Ginny calling her a “cow,” calling her “Phlegm,” mocking her:

    Page 95: “She only wants me there so she doesn’t have to be alone with Phlegm!” said Ginny crossly. She swung her long red hair around in a very good imitation of Fleur and pranced across the room with her arms held aloft like a ballerina.

    How are we supposed to like Ginny when we see various examples of her being a-well, you know-a female dog?
    How are we supposed to approve of her as Harry’s love interest?
    She’s very possessive of Harry-which she shouldn’t be.
    We aren’t shown her personality: just told it.
    She’s beautiful. She’s popular. Everyone loves Ginny. I get it.
    Basically, as one user has already stated, she was shoved down our throats.

    I don’t think she’s a s**t, but honestly, I can’t stand her.

    • Elisabeth says:

      I really have to disagree with you! I hate Ginny too, but in my opinion she is not the wrong one in the passages you’re referring to. The “innocent” statement of the haircolor only proofs Fleur’s sneaky and elegant way of being a total b**ch. She grew up in a family of Veela descendants – she is perfectly aware of how her inherited beauty effects especially males, and she exploits it by doing stuff like making these totally degrading, but well hidden offences towards Ginny. Oh, she is so cute and childish she would look great next to my nearly-a-toddler sister. Ohhhh nooo, but her ‘aircolor just wouldn’t fit this adorable color I already decided for their dresses. Such a shame! – is what she’s actually saying, but it’s covered up in You are so cute, just as sweet as my also-fourth-Veela sister, and Oh, don’t worry, it’s the dress, not your hair. You have to replay the sentences in your head to actually discover the offences, but at the same time you just instinctively know this person is not for your best. It would be a great way to take down someone less strong than Ginny, but Ginny is alert enough to bounce back.

      If you reconsider this I really think you would see what I mean! Sure, Ginny is a bitch, but at least she doesn’t try to hide it. She probably wouldn’t get away with it, because she doesn’t possess a fooling beauty that makes her surrounders blind of her stylish, yet obvious attacks.

      I don’t think I would normally go into a discussion on characters – however, when I do it, it’s because the character in my opinion reflects how many people tend to act in real life, which I definitely think is worth discussing. For the same reason I went into an enthusiastic comment thread about Rachel Green. Fleur reminds me so much of her! They are both above average pretty, which makes them enchanting, which again makes them very powerful! And this simply can’t be innocent once one is aware of this gift. So saying that Fleur is not intentionally rude is simply wrong in my opinion. I know it’s considered a French thing to speak your mind impulsively and without any hidden motives, but what Fleur does is far more than that! She acts like she wants to bond with her future husband’s female family members, but if this was really what she wanted she would have tried harder not to instantly win over their brothers, husbands, love interests and so on. You can’t help being beautiful, but you can always try to control your behavior, and Fleur doesn’t do that. If she wasn’t trying to piss off Ginny, why else would she just in front of her act overly charming towards Harry, whom she doesn’t even see as anything but an old friend who once saved her sister.

      So, I know this thread was not meant to be about Fleur at all, but since I fully agree with almost everything said here about Ginny I chose to make a comment on what I thought I had something new to say about. Have a great day, everyone 🙂

  14. Jenny says:

    Love your post! I didn’t quite like Ginny in the books neither. She was constantly after boys attention and the romance between her and Harry felt very abrupt? Like there wasn’t a flow or built up and all of a sudden we’re suppose to accept that they’re soulmates. In the movie she was pretty forgettable and did not stand out to me. I agree, the actress looks a lot better in person (and more Ginny-like) than in the movies.

    To be honest, I didn’t like any of the romance in Harry Potter. Love the books, but the romances were just generally lacking. The only romance I particularly enjoyed was probably between Lupin and Tonks, but that was only a glimpse of it in less than a chapter of the whole series.

  15. Kimmy says:

    Ginny Wesley did not date Corner and Thomas because she was trying to make Harry jealous, she was trying to get over Harry when she realized she did not have a chance. And yeah, she would not have gone to the ball if Neville haven’t have asked her because third years weren’t allowed to go to the ball without an older date. When she snapped at Hermione, it is called puberty. She was 14 at the time,and yeah I know that is not an excuse but it is not like she was mean all along, she was fine in the Chamber of Secrets. Yes, it was wrong for her to call Fleur Phlegm, that is a FLAW. Maybe JKR made Ginny sort of mean, but the the books were written in third person, in Harry’s mind. Maybe JKR made Ginny mean on purpose but Harry was just blinded by his love for her.

  16. Joanna says:

    Ginny Weasly is deffinatley my favorite character in the Harry Potter series. I enjoy watching book Ginny mature and I believe that you hit the nail on the head about why she seems so abrupt when she grows up. It is through Harry’s eyes. He doesn’t notice Ginny for a while which adds realism to the series. Young Ginny is a cute, young girl with a funny unique personality. She begins with shyness that fades away as she gets to know Harry which is so true to real life that I cannot even explain it. Then in Chamber of secrets she is a vulnerable and likeable girl. She is shown as scared since she is only 11 and unsure of how to deal with the terrifying world that was forced upon her. If you believe that this is not how an eleven year old girl would behave (actually it may be better than most) then you have not met one. It is then that Ginny hits her dull faze but that is not because of the character it is because Harry doesn’t notice her as much. Finally Ginny begins to appear “boy crazy” but guess what SHE IS A TYPICAL TEENAGE GIRL! Also this is emphasized as Harry begins to develop feelings for her because his jealous causes him to dwell on her flirtations with other boys.

    Now let me move on to this “rude humor”. Let me remind you since you haven’t seemed to mention it… Ginny is the only girl with 6 brothers so she hasn’t had much softer feminine influnce only the rough masculine influnce of brothers. Ginny is a tom boy so her sense of humor reflects this. Ron’s humor is very similar to Ginny’s but no one gets mad at him because he has a penis and people have double standards. Ron says something vulgar everyone laughs and thinks he is just be outspoken clumsy Ron, but Ginny makes a few JOKES and she Is rude despite being raised in the same home with the standards as her brother.

    Personally I find Ginny hilarious and think that she is a great match for Harry because she is such a bright spunky vharacter while henis a blander codependent type who needs someone like her to help him out.

    • Reetika says:

      This is EXACTLY how I interpret the character of Ginny Weasley. She may not be my absolute favorite character, but it makes me sad because all my friends are always saying, “Oh Ginny, she’s such a bitch. I hate her.” People don’t see her as the cool, outspoken, sporty, tomboyish teenager who also happens to have an active dating life. It’s completely natural for Harry to be attracted to her. Even my best friend (in whom I see a lot of Ginny) doesn’t like the character. Your interpretation made me smile.
      Thanks. 🙂

  17. Brian Adams says:

    I myself am an H/G shipper, and have been since before such was canon. That being said, I find your post well-written and insightful. As much as I tried, I could not find anything untruthful about what was written. One thing I must say, is that the pitfall, in my opinion, was that JKR did push it too far. Incidentally, when reading Fanfiction, I prefer fifth or maybe sixth year as the branching off point from canon.

    I once read a similar analysis on the topic from the opposite viewpoint (someone who thought it was not as sudden as most people say). In said essay, they showed how often, Harry notices Ginny even if she should seemingly be insignificant to the scene. Remember, the books are from Harry’s POV. When the scene is described to include Ginny, it is because Harry has noticed her. Early on this serves as a subtle way to let the audience know that there is something more to the character. However, as time goes on JKR didn’t do enough with Ginny’s interactions with Harry to illustrate this point. So therefore, to many readers it was sudden; the hints that JKR planted were too subtle.

    The time to change the relationship between Harry and Ginny was at some point in the fourth book, or early in the fifth. Harry on the whole is a very insular character. Most of his interactions are with Hermione and Ron. We see very few of his interactions with others in comparison. Most the time, other characters are merely scene dressing; this is what Ginny had amounted to by the time that the fifth book came about. Had JKR slowly grown their relationship over the course of the fourth book, Harry’s feelings would not seem to have blindsided the reader. I am not advocating that he should have started liking her at this time, only that perhaps they become friends, as opposed to “best-friend’s-sister and brothers-best-friend.” JKR used the DA in book 5 to attempt to accomplish this. She failed, mostly because the DA was mostly an ensemble group. We see very few personal relationships form; it concentrates either on Harry helping out the group as a whole, or his asinine relationship with Cho Chang. JKR therefore lumped Ginny in with the other DA members, when she might have been able to use this time to develop the character more in depth.

  18. imtherealeffindeal says:

    Stumbled upon your blog just a few minutes ago, and I must say, excellent observation. I, too, am finding a ton of character flaws and plot holes in Harry Potter the more I’m growing up. And I agree, Rachel Hurd Wood would’ve been a better Ginny – even though I love Bonnie to death. But if we’re going for looks, I’d say Astrid Berges Frisbey. Even though she’s too old for Ginny, she looks really beautiful in red hair.

  19. Samantha says:

    Agree! And also, there is a scene in the order of the phoenix that none of the comments mentioned (chapter:the order of the phoenix)

    ‘Very well.’said mrs weasley, her voice cracking. ‘Ginny-ron-hermione-fred-george-i want you out of the kitchen, now.’
    There was an instant uproar.
    ‘We’re of age!’ Fred and george shouted together.
    ‘If harry’s allowed,why cant i?’shouted ron.
    ‘Mum, i WANT to hear!!!’wailed ginny

    See?

    And also in that chapter-
    Ginny did not go quietly.they could hear her raging and storming her mother all the way up the stairs, and when she reached the hall mrs black’s ear splitting shrieks were added to the din.

  20. Reetika says:

    Ok, here’s what I think, I know I might be wrong here, but here me out… I do agree that Ginny was probably written to be Harry’s love interest right from the very beginning. When the books started off, she was this shy little girl completely fangirling over the famous Harry Potter. Besides, how many of us can completely deny that we’ve never had a crush on our older brother’s coolest friend (and here he’s Ron’s best-friend and she was forced to be around him). Add to that the fact that Harry saved her life in her very first year. As she grew up, her crush remained strong, but she soon realized Harry never reciprocated her feelings and only saw her as his best-friend’s sister. Besides, Harry was the most popular and one of the coolest/badass kids in school. So obviously she wanted to get his attention, you can’t blame her… we’ve all been that age.
    Now, coming to her sudden “sluttiness” in Book 6… I think JKR wrote her like that to make Harry’s attraction to her more believable. Consider this… 1) Harry, the most popular guy in school falls for the sweet shy little junior, or 2) Harry, the most popular guy falls for the most popular and one-of-the-prettiest girl in school… which is more believable? It’s the typical high-school romance. And she was always quite badass… remember how she stood up to Draco in COS? Excelling at Quidditch only made her more confident. (Ok, I’ll admit, it also made her proud and sometimes arrogant.) But, Harry started to see her in different light, precisely because of this change in her. He is a teenager and a Mr.Popular, he doesn’t want a compassionate shoulder (which is why he sisterzones Hermione), he wants someone cool and fun as him. But how that relationship turned into marriage is beyond me. I like to think they matured and grew into it… sort of like James and Lily… 🙂
    As for her attitude towards Hermione, she is not so different from the others. Remember how Ron always teases Hermione for her nerdiness. To her, Hermione is not the heroine (like to us readers). She’s just another nerdy classmate whom she teases in light humour, not offensively. It only makes her character more believable as a typical cool girl of school. If she was a perfect girl who was also perfectly well behaved, it’d make her a Mary Sue. And the popular kids are always a little haughty (being best friends with one, i can guarantee that). But if you can look past that, you might be surprised to find an amazing girl in some rare cases… and I like to think of Ginny as one such example. Rare. Which makes Harry love her.
    That being said, I do agree that not enough time was given in OOP to show a gradual closeness between the two and make the later attraction seem more believable. Also, I like Bonnie Wright, but I feel she was not given enough opportunity on screen to portray the character perfectly. I believe she had potential to do better. In my head Book Ginny is cooler than film Ginny. 😦
    Peace! \m/

  21. drush76 says:

    I’ve never shipped H/Hr and I never will. Those two are not suited for each. But I do not like Ginny Weasley. I disliked the way Rowling had put her on a pedestal. I disliked the way she had allowed Ginny to indulge in her vindictive nature without any consequences. She’s a bitchy Mary Sue.

    • Amy Rae says:

      Umbridge is a character designed to be hated. Hating her is like rooting for Harry – it’s an unconscious thing from the reader. I personally don’t hate Umbridge, much like how I don’t hate Drew from Heroes of Olympus, or any other villain really…. I tend to hate character’s I am being forced to love, especially when they don’t deserve my love or respect.

  22. Angel says:

    I’ve always really hated Ginny Weasley’s character and I could not figure out why. It’s not because I’m jealous or that I hate Bonnie Wright (I rather like her, she seems down to earth) but there was something about her.

    I felt like it was because she’s quite the Mary-Sue and, for the longest time, I really didn’t understand her character, or why it was being shoved into our faces all of a sudden.

    This article sums up pretty much everything about her that I dislike, I would have enjoyed getting to know her character better instead of having her being immediately set up with Harry.

  23. Tracy says:

    How is Ginny being upset about not going to the Yule ball with Harry annoying? She could have just dumped neville and went to the dance with dance with Harry. That’s what you would expect a mean girl would do that you say Ginny is. Ginny does have flaws and your right she is mean to Fleur because she pretty and she is jealous that Harry like her just like Hermione hates her too. Once Fleur has proven herself that she really does love Bill she stops calling her names. Your right Harry’s feelings for Ginny came out of nowhere it happens to everybody one day you don’t like someone or you meet someone and bam the next day you like them. Relationships progress overtime. When Ron and Harry first met Hermione they did not like her but later after they worked together they became friends and as they became closer they became a family. Samething happened with Harry and Ginny she got over being shy around him she showed her personality and they became friends and then they became more then friends.

  24. PK says:

    I completely agree with you, Amy Rae. I cannot even express how good it feels to have my feelings validated by your writing. I really feel offended when people say that if you dislike Ginny, you’re anti-feminist, like Ginny is such a good model of the feminist standard. First of all, my dislike of Ginny stems from her being a despicable person; second of all, the people who say this are invariably talking about my dislike of her dating habits. What no one, it seems, realizes is that the problem with Ginny’s dating habits isn’t how many boys she dates, it’s how she treats them. She is rude and downright mean to the boys she dates, but I the reader am–gallingly–expected to swallow this behavior as evidence of Ginny’s strong-willed independent awesomeness. I like to think that I am more perceptive than that. Of course, Ginny’s behavior towards men only reflects her true character, which is put on display through flippant rudeness toward nearly every character in the series. And I am supposed to look up to this girl– excuse me, this bitch. The final straw for me was when she was rude to Hermione in Half-blood Prince about Quidditch. I was trying so hard to like her, but that was it for me. It was going too far to insult the true feminist hero of the series and then expect me to admire that. The Harry Potter series is a genius series, I really believe that, but I agree with one of the previous commenters that the end-game romances were not well-written. I think Ron and Hermione truly loved each other, but ultimately there was too much fire and fire there, albeit different kinds, for that to be a happy partnership. The movies did a better job with Ron/Hermione just because you actually believe they could be happy together. (Also they had Emma Watson. 😄) But I disagree with another previous commenter who said Harry’s crush on Cho came out of nowhere. Not because it didn’t, but because it wasn’t a problem. Harry first saw Cho on the Quidditch field, thought she was pretty, and developed a crush. That’s very realistic–and it also unintentionally serves to highlight just how unrealistic Harry’s sudden love for Ginny is.

    • Amy Rae says:

      I’m on my phone, so this is a short reply, but I want to say you’ve hit EVERYTHING on the head. The HBP moment of Ginny snapping at Hermione is a huge issue for me, too. And Ginny is a huge disservice to strong, feminist characters 👏👏

      • sv says:

        Yes, because Ginny should have totally just rolled over and let Hermione continue on with her tirade, right?

      • PK says:

        So glad you see the feminist issue the same way! I definitely think there is a difference between being strong and being bitchy; men can certainly be bitchy too, it’s just often overlooked because men are “supposed” to state their opinions, while women aren’t, so even when men are straight bitch they are often just seen as “being men”, a disservice to men and women alike. But I get the feeling I’m preaching to the choir. I think characters like Hermione, Kate Beckett, and Katniss Everdeen are good examples of women who are strong and only bitchy when the situation calls for it; they are well-fleshed-out, so when it comes time that they are bitchy, whether we feel it’s warranted or not, we still understand why they are acting the way they are acting. Unfortunately this was not the case when Ginny Weasley was written.

      • Amy Rae says:

        I’m so keen for a feminist discussion here (I’m on my phone so I’m a bit limited typing wise). I recently saw a video of Nicki Minaj and she was explaining (with sass) that when she shows authority or acts like a boss, such as when she fights for the best concert experience for her fans, she’s perceived as a bitch. But if she were a man, she’d been seen as a boss plain and simple. That double standard is rife in how we perceive career women, women in the entertainment industry, and even fictional characters.

        Furthermore, it’s like when people say Arya from GoT is strong, but not Sansaa* (spell check that). I love Sansaa and think she could be considered an even stronger character than Arya; it’s just that the situations they’re in and their strengths are totally different. Doesn’t mean we should invalidate Sansaa just because she’s not overtly combative… Also Brienne, fuck she’s cool (but trolls will call her ugly, a dyke, a this and that, just to bring down the fact she’s an amazingly strong female character, physically and internally).

        Sadly, I do not think Ginny is in the same league as these women. And I don’t think the “it’s Harry’s perspective” argument cuts it. JKR did great with Hermione, Molly, Tonks, even Lily who is barely seen. She could have done better on creating a more dimensional Ginny.

      • PK says:

        Omg, I can’t believe I forgot about Game of Thrones! There are a plethora of good examples of strong (and weak) women (and men). I agree that Sansa is completely underrated as a character bc she is different from Arya, who displays the typical signs of strength. I was really shocked to find out when I went online after watching the first 4 seasons of GoT that there was so much hate for Sansa (and Daenerys, but I’ll get to that later). I find it extremely surprising that people are so annoyed by Sansa simply bc she’s a teenage girl. Like, no way, she totally is. People don’t seem to realize that aggression is not the only sign of strength, and, as we can see from Ginny, is not even always a sign of strength in the first place. Sansa, like Luna Lovegood, is a dreamer of impossible drama, is even-keeled and quiet, sees things in her own head before she acts, and yet still fights for what she believes in through actions, even if not actual physical combat (see her marrying Ramsay for revenge–I don’t think the fact that it was all a plot of Littlefinger’s negates her strength for making that decision). I also love Brienne, who is very skilled at physical combat, who is loyal and dedicated, who has real pain in her past and keeps on fighting for what she believes is right, even when no one believes her. I don’t understand why anyone wouldn’t like her, no matter what she looks like. Where was I going with this? Now I’m just talking about Game of Thrones.

        But back to Daenerys. From what I’ve seen online, which I admit isn’t much bc I had to get off the message boards as soon as I was on them, ppl don’t seem to dislike Daenerys bc she’s a woman in a man’s role, but bc she’s somewhat arrogant and her storyline is taking forever. I can get on board with both of these points somewhat. While I think believing yourself to be entitled to a throne comes with a certain level of arrogance, it doesn’t bother me bc she wants to do what’s best for everyone. Maybe she has a bit of a savior complex, but so does Harry (although I personally don’t think he does, I think he’s just a normal guy), and that’s certainly not the worst quality to have. As for her storyline, yes, even I have felt frustration at that, but it very much mirrors reality. It takes years upon years for change to be affected in real life. I just find it refreshing that people find fault with her character not solely bc she’s a woman, but bc she’s a person, and that’s a good step forward I think.

        I really like Game of Thrones, as you can tell, and I could go on and on with other examples, but my point is that even in a show as complex and jam-packed as GoT, the characters are so well fleshed out that we feel their motivations, flaws, and victories with them, and we don’t have to metaphorically have “Harry’s perspective” to get to know or like any of the characters. Bc I don’t think “Harry’s perspective” is anywhere near close to cutting it either. If it were true that everything we see of Ginny is what Harry perceives her as, wow, that is even worse for her character bc Harry sees her as a near-sociopathic, mean, rude, childish bully, which is just scary for her character and his. Why would our hero choose someone like that? I have to believe that what we see in the book is how Ginny really is, and that Harry is just blinded by lust. (I can’t say love, bc the whole of HBP that is what he’s thinking and we know that, JKR just can’t say that bc it’s a children’s book– calling it love is simply ridiculous.)

        Well, I’ve been typing this on my phone on and off all day, so I better wrap it up. I just get really irked by the notion that being irritated by a female character who is presented as a “strong female” makes one anti-feminist when I know that isn’t the case. Thanks for reading my thoughts. 🙂

        P.S. in response to S: Just bc someone is a worse bully–and James certainly was–that doesn’t make someone else (Ginny) not a bully. I would not say ‘bully’ is too strong a word. For instance, she goes out of her way to say Luna is “all right,” but negates that statement by calling her “Loony.” She is a passive aggressive bully, which is just as bad as an outright bully bc it’s harder to call someone out on it, hence everything Ginny gets away with.

      • Amy Rae says:

        Let me just say, I officially love you and your brain ❤ My far the best commenter I have gotten on this blog thus far!

        You've hit every nail perfectly on the head for me. Sansa is actually my favourite character on GoT, and it's taken me a long time to even warm to Arya. I really resent when people outright HATE Sansa, even if they're holding her very early behavior against her, when it is not longer applicable (ie. her typical teenage girl behaviour when she was "in love" with Joffrey, wanted to marry him, and acted quite spoiled). She grew out of that SERIOUSLY quickly when she realised the gravity of the situation she was in. And what so many people refuse to acknowledge is the inner strength it has taken her to survive in this world. Let's stop and remember, she was forced to marry are sociopathic little shit who then forced her to look at her father's severed head. Like, there is a serious and quiet strength to that girl, and she has the sort of qualities I'd expect from a future queen.

        Alternatively, if Arya had been in Sansa's position, you can guarantee she'd be a mouthy little shit, would no t have picked her battles wisely, and have gotten herself killed. Without a doubt in my mind, if Ginny were in this situation, she'd respond like Arya.

        Ginny, quite frankly, is NOT a strong character. She is petty, petulant, insolent little girl. THANK YOU for clarifying the type of bully she is (I saw that other comment when I first woke up, and did not have the care to deal with it lol). You are completely right. Ginny is a PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE bully. A high school girl bully. A Taylor Swift, a Regina George. Just because she is not physically abusing people, does not mean her other words/actions are less cruel. And, seriously, I pointed all these out in the article. It seriously seems to have gotten to the point that people aren't reading it or forming critical opinions — they're just jumping down to the comment section to blindly argue why she is amazing. But, I'm not seeing any well thought out arguments – just weak defensive comments.

        "c I don’t think “Harry’s perspective” is anywhere near close to cutting it either. If it were true that everything we see of Ginny is what Harry perceives her as, wow, that is even worse for her character bc Harry sees her as a near-sociopathic, mean, rude, childish bully, " THIS is going to be my go to quote for when people post that ridiculous argument. Because, seriously, I am getting fed up with the unfounded arguments here. There is no meat to these discussions, which is why I love your comments so much, haha. Can I seriously just throw in some of your quotes into the main article? Because, damn!

      • S says:

        You have to find another go-to argument, because Harry does NOT see her as a “near-sociopathic, mean, rude, childish bully”. On the contrary, throughout all the books and HBP in particular he sees her through rose-tinted glasses, far different than what you are implying.

        And then, if calling names is now indicative of her being a bully, then pretty much everyone is in the books is one, yes, even Hermione. If anything, Hermione is even more ruthless, just look at what she did with Rita and Marietta. But no, it’s justified when Hermione does it, I get it. The fact that you are trying to single Ginny out is hypocritical. Ginny is a strong character in her own right.

      • PK says:

        I can’t help that I’ve singled Ginny out when she’s presented in such a way. My point by saying that’s how Harry sees her probably could have been more clear; I was saying the way Ginny is presented to us in the book is how Ginny really is, and Harry sees this and thinks it’s awesome–like so many people have–instead of what it really is. And that was always a major problem for me, aside from the fact that it was a poorly written romance overall. I was baffled that our morally upright, loyal, kind hero would be attracted to and even more surprisingly fall in love with someone like Ginny, her physical charms aside. If it were presented as a teenage crush that he learned from like Cho was I probably would have thought it was a clever bit of writing, but unfortunately it was not.

        As for the behavior of other characters, yes, they are all flawed, so they do make mistakes, and they are all mean sometimes. Even Hermione calls Fleur “Phlegm.” But of course I will defend and forgive Hermione more readily, she’s one of the heroes, and, more importantly, she has a track record of being a kind and thoughtful person. Bossy and annoying as hell at times too? Yes. But she is good-intentioned and shows that about herself through her everyday actions–speaking kindly to first years, fighting Fred and George’s experimentation to protect other students, encouraging Ron even when he HAD done poorly, going to walk around the lake with Harry and bringing him toast when he and Ron weren’t taking. I could go on and on and on. Her actions speak for themselves, and Ginny’s do too. The problem is that Ginny’s actions don’t match up with how she is presented. We are told that she is funny and kind and smart, but we are shown that she makes jokes at others’ expense, we hear Luna saying Ginny’s “really nice” but are never shown Ginny being nice and are instead expected to base her niceness off one line from Luna, and we are supposed to believe that Ginny is a good student and is smart bc she got into the Slug Club by hexing Zacharias Smith in the hallway. (Something that sounds very similar to James the bully’s behavior–again, I do not dispute that the Marauders were bullies. But we know James grew out of that, something which I hope Ginny did. But Lily refused to even speak to James until he grew the hell up, which makes Harry’s outright admiration of James’s worst qualities in Ginny all the more confounding. I guess Harry is not strong like his mother in that regard.)

        As for calling Hermione out on Rita and Marietta, I’m kind of confused by your examples. Rita totally deserved what she got in my opinion. Hermione didn’t bully her, she exacted revenge, and I think justifiably. And Hermione didn’t even really do anything to Marietta, Marietta did that to herself. No, Marietta didn’t know what would happen if she told, and that was a bit unfair, but she did know she wasn’t supposed to tell. So I don’t really feel bad for what happened to her. Secrecy was a part of the DA, and she violated that. An example of Hermione behaving badly is how she treated Cormac McLaggen. Cormac was a total douche nozzle, so I don’t feel extremely bad for him, but I still don’t think she should have used him to get back at Ron when he actually wanted to go out with her. That was mean.

      • S says:

        “Presented in such a way” how exactly? Ginny was nowhere near James in terms of the bullying and cruelty he inflicted on Snape. If anything, they were complete opposites, in that Ginny’s so-called “bullying” was in REACTION to repeated harassment, when James was the one instigating the bullying. Give me one example in which Ginny supposedly “bullies” someone which wasn’t in reaction to something else going on, and then we can argue, but as of now there exists no proof in which we can say that she is a bully.

        And actually, there is on-screen proof of Ginny standing up against criticism of Luna, remember after Harry invites her and Ron says “you could have taken anyone, why Luna”? Ginny’s actions do match up with how she is presented, look at how even when she could have gone with Harry to the Yule Ball, she stuck by her committment to stay with Neville. Look at her trying to help Harry in OotP get over his possession and also talking to Sirius Look at her trying to cheer up Ron when he asked Fleur even if the situation as described was comical. Look at her confronting Malfoy in front of Harry when she was extremely shy around him, and giving him a Get-Well soon card even if her crush was worse than in her second year. Look at her comforting the young girl during the Battle of Hogwarts. See, I can just as easily make a list, and add to that all her implied actions, and it’s pretty clear that Ginny is fundamentally a good person with flaws (just like Hermione). Just because she shows up less than Hermione, doesn’t mean it’s less clear.

        I was using those examples with regard to Hermione because that is proof that she is even more ruthless than Ginny. Why is it OK for her to keep Rita trapped in a jar for a year and then proceed to blackmail her after her hate campaign as revenge, but it’s not OK for Ginny to use the Bat-Bogey Hex because of repeated harassment from Zacharias (also as revenge, not bullying)?

        Again, the double standards and hypocrisy still persist.

      • PK says:

        I wasn’t using the example of her hexing Zacharias Smith as an example of her bullying, but as an example of her supposedly being a powerful witch. The only reason I drew the parallel to James is because I suddenly thought of it and thought it was pretty telling. It is also an example of her getting away with something when she should have gotten in trouble, which I wouldn’t mind if she didn’t have a history of doing mean things and getting away with them. When it’s taken out of context of everything else she has done, I don’t really mind that she hexed Zacharias bc he’s a douchebag, which is the same reason I don’t mind what Hermione did to Rita, who was even more deserving of what she got in my mind.

        As for movie-Ginny, I’m not talking about her when I’m criticising Ginny bc I’m talking about book-Ginny. Movie Ginny is a completely different character, forgettable bc she is so quickly introduced as a love interest and then so quickly yanked away, and also bc she doesn’t have any of the fire of book-Ginny. I personally think movie-Ginny is a vast improvement over book-Ginny, as there would have been no way to translate Ginny accurately to the screen without everyone calling her a bitch. I understand the screenwriter’s choice to make Ginny into a shy character rather than an outgoing one bc it was way easier than trying to explain away all her bad behavior as her being “strong” and “outspoken”. (I also see how it could have just been laziness on the writer’s part, as well as a lean toward H/Hr, but I also think I’m right about the screenwriter not wanting to write her character.)

        As for Ginny bullying someone unprovoked, it’s not a very good argument that she isn’t a bully if she only treats people like shit bc she feels provoked. That’s like saying a woman deserves to be hit bc her man is annoyed with her. Every other character in the series has consequences when they are rude or mean–not necessarily all the time, but sometimes at least–whether it’s a reprimand or punishment from a teacher or the silent judgment or verbal calling out by their peers, but these rules are not applied to Ginny bc she’s ‘cool.’ And I don’t know why JKR thought that would endear her to anyone except sociopaths, although clearly it has, which I will never understand. There are times that Ginny is kind of endearing; in the fifth book Ginny starts to become more bold, but she is also reasonable sometimes, like how she helped Harry talk to Sirius; but even when Harry is worried about being possessed she calls him stupid for not just asking her what it felt like, which was pretty rude. I guess that should have been my first clue about what was coming in book 6, but I thought she was still that nice girl from the previous books and just talked more around Harry now. I was shocked to find out that was not the case when I started HBP, but you already know how I feel about that I think. As for her being unprovoked, I think the prime and defining example of her being mean just to be mean is when she insults Hermione about Quidditch just to get her to shut up in book 6. Even from another character who had a track record of being kind and reasonable, this would be totally uncalled for. From a character with as little development and depth as Ginny, it was enough to seal the deal against her. She was only saying that to Hermione bc she couldn’t control her temper and bc she wanted to look cool in front of Harry, and it was beyond rude considering Hermione was actually arguing on Harry’s behalf. So the fact that Ginny has less book time is very important to the understanding of her character.

      • S says:

        “That’s like saying a woman deserves to be hit bc her man is annoyed with her.”

        That’s a false equivalence. What Ginny was responding to in several cases wasn’t annoyance, it was actual harassment (such as with Zacharias, Fleur and Ron). With Hermione, however, do you forget that it was Hermione HERSELF who brought Quidditch up in the first place? It didn’t just come out of nowhere from Ginny. And it was Ginny who was arguing on Harry’s behalf in that scene, Hermione just wanted to be right. It wasn’t as though she attacked Hermione out of nowhere, she even told Hermione once that what she was doing wasn’t right, without any attacks on her character.

        Being mean a few times in your life doesn’t mean you are a bully, there is no moral equivalence between the two. If that were the case then pretty much everyone in the world is a bully.

      • PK says:

        I pretty much have to restate what Amy Rae said in another reply and say the reason it’s so much worse and makes Ginny a yyyyyuge bully (in reference to another comment you made) when she is mean and spiteful rather than when Hermione is is bc this is the majority of her character and is meant to endear us to her. The examples of her responding to harassment are true, but they only serve to highlight her meanness and immaturity. It’s also an important aspect of her relationship with Harry bc we only ever see her as Harry’s love interest or as a very minor side character, never as a person/character in her own right, which is a big problem for me. I cannot begin to forgive her well-promoted flaws when she has no well-founded good points to fall back on.

        Quite simply, Hermione can get away with a lot more as a character bc she is so well-written. The same goes for every other character in the series, from one of our heroes such as Ron, who is very mean and immature a lot of the time, to our anti-hero Snape, who I personally detest as a person but understand and appreciate as a character with deeply-riven flaws and a well-thought-out back story, to even our villain Voldemort who is purposely presented as purely evil but who has such a good story that he is a good character despite the fact he is a terrible person. There is definitely a difference in fiction between what constitutes a good character and what constitutes a good person, the character being defined by writing and person being defined by everything we as people view as making up a person (morality, personality, etc.). Ron is a good character and a good person; Snape is a good character but an amoral person at best; Voldemort is a good character but a bad person. Therefore, Hermione is a good character and a good person, while Ginny is a bad character AND a bad person (based on everything presented to us), and that just cannot work. Of course, the part of characterization viewers read as a person is highly subjective to personal opinion, hence many readers loving Ginny and hating Ron, for instance, so this part I can understand from that angle. I will never understand how anyone can say Ginny is a well-written character though, and therefore how H/G is well-written.

        As for the infamous scene where Ginny puts Hermione down, Hermione was definitely arguing for Harry and not against him, while Ginny once again was mean for the sake of being cool. Hermione WAS right and we already know how she needs that validated. And Harry was being very pig-headed and straight up stupid about the Prince’s book. Ginny herself pointed out earlier how stupid he was being for investing himself in something whose brain was unknown. I’m glad Hermione called him out on it like a good friend; I don’t care that she was aggravating and rude, Harry needed to hear it. That’s what good friends do. Ginny’s point about Harry having something good up his sleeve would have been an all right comment since Malfoy WAS using an Unforgiveable, except that two wrongs don’t really make a right (although I understand the moral ambivalence of it, so it’s still a decent point) and that she follows it up with the first insult she can throw out to shut Hermione down. The thing about the insult that really pissed me off is that it’s not even true, Hermione likes and understands Quidditch, but she is not obsessed like the boys, look at all the previous books for evidence, and she certainly does care about Harry and Ron being able to play Quidditch, look at what she did previously in the very same book. Ginny just said it to get Hermione to shut up, using the surprise factor on Hermione to look cool in Harry’s eyes. The worst part is that it worked: Hermione is unfairly shut down and Harry’s pig-headedness and Ginny’s rudeness (their bad qualities) are reinforced. Oh yeah, and inadvertently Ron’s bad quality of never speaking up for what is right is also reinforced. It sucks for everyone, and Ginny is everything but rewarded for it.

      • S says:

        How can you say that Ginny is fundamentally a bad person and that she has no good points at all? I just wrote a list of good actions that we actually see Ginny do (and not just told), which more than counterbalances any potentially wrong things she did.

        No, Hermione was not arguing for or against Harry, she was arguing about the book. Harry was feeling already sufficiently guilty without Hermione continuing on and on. The comment from Ginny about Quidditch only came because Hermione started talking about it when it had nothing to do with the topic at hand. Plus she already told Hermione to give it a rest, but Hermione started changing the topic when it was convenient for her and Ginny called her out on it. If she was in it for being “cool” then there was no need for her to intervene in the first place, when she made the first comment. So no, Hermione was not unfairly shut down.

      • PK says:

        I don’t feel like the few instances of bravery we see or hear about Ginny doing counterbalance the many instances of pettiness or what have you that we see or hear about Ginny doing. I know that your perception is different, but it has never been enough for me. I’ve come to accept what JK Rowling has presented about Ginny to her readers though, which is a good step in the right direction for me I think.

        I don’t know what you mean when you say, “If she was in it for being “cool” then there was no need for her to intervene in the first place, when she made the first comment.” I have always seen this as her choosing Harry’s side bc she wanted his favor. Are you saying it didn’t have anything to do with being cool bc she actually believed it regardless of Harry’s opinion? I could believe that if she hadn’t put down Hermione about Quidditch when she brought it up. It all comes back to this. Bc Quidditch had everything to do with the Prince’s book in this instance. Harry would be unable to play in any future games or practice on Saturdays with detention every Saturday. So in typical Hermione fashion she switched tacks to something he really cared about. Maybe Hermione couldn’t see how guilty and beleaguered Harry already was bc of his bullheadedness and her high emotional state and maybe Ginny could bc she is less emotional and things are easier to understand when emotions are not at the forefront. That would be an interpretation of why Ginny acted like she did that would be in her favor. However I still think Hermione was right and the way Ginny handled it was wrong.

      • S says:

        I didn’t say she wasn’t right. But it’s not about whether Hermione’s right – it’s about Hermione wanting Harry to say she was right. It’s about Harry having nearly killed someone, being in complete shock and Hermione doesn’t even register this because she’s so desperate to have Harry admit that she was right, you admitted that.

        When Ginny said “don’t act like you understand Quidditch,” in this context, she didn’t literally mean that Hermione didn’t understand the game. She was calling her out for trying to make an issue about Harry’s safety about Quidditch instead in order to sound like she was on Ginny’s side, when she wasn’t. Hermione was using Quidditch to appeal to Ginny, even when she should have realized at that moment that there are more important things than the sport.

        Could Ginny have been much more tactful? Absolutely. But in no way does this indicate Ginny being a bully. If this counts as proof that she’s a bully, I guess Harry is a bully too when he says to Hermione pretty much the exact same thing in OotP (and in a much less dire situation, too).

        And anyway, this isn’t an issue, because soon after that spat between them Hermione is genuinely pleased for Ginny finally getting together with Harry (so I’m pretty sure they resolved that soon after). Besides, best friends can be mean to each other, as evidenced by Hermione and Ron’s relationship (sending birds, making imitations of each other, etc.).

      • Amy Rae says:

        This is clearly a discussion and criticism of BOOK Ginny (aka real Ginny). My article pointed out these were two very different characters, and it is clear which one is the focus here. On screen proof is not valid.

        As for Hermione’s treatment of Rita Skeeter, a few points to consider:
        1. This is not the norm of Hermione’s behaviour
        2. It’s clearly presented as Karmic Justice, after Rita’s dodgy behaviour throughout GoF. It’s her comeuppance.
        3. Hermione is not a ruthless, spiteful or petty character like Ginny.

      • S says:

        I know it’s a discussion about Book!Ginny. “On screen” was just an expression. Everything I wrote was based on the books, not the movies, I actually hate them.

        I get the first two points, because the same also applies to Ginny. Again, why is it OK for Hermione to do that in response to something major, but when Ginny calls a few names in response to harassment, suddenly she’s a yuuuge ruthless, spiteful and petty bully?

      • Amy Rae says:

        Because that is the majority of Ginny’s behaviour in OOTP and HBP, and those moments are meant to endear us to her as Harry’s soul mate.

        The only decent bit of relationship development between them was Ginny reminding him they share being influenced/controlled by Voldemort.

      • S says:

        There’s actually more development of Ginny’s character in OotP than HBP, yet we never saw her act in the “bullying” way you’re implying. And when she did “bully” it was only when someone else was harassing her. She never instigated anything, unlike James, who was CLEARLY a bully.

        And there’s way more relationship development of Harry/Ginny, but that’s not relevant now, since we’re discussing her character.

      • PK says:

        I’d be honored if you used my words. ^_^ I was just so appreciative of your article, it was everything I’d always thought but never put into writing. And thank you for bringing up Taylor Swift! I haven’t liked her since she was a teenager just bc, it seems to me, when she grew up she got less mature. She is the real-life Ginny imo. She uses and throws away boys like they’re objects instead of people with feelings, who maybe just maybe don’t want to hear their flaws and insecurities called out in songs bc they annoyed her after the fact. Guys have literally said they don’t want to date her bc they’re afraid she’ll write about them–and she responded to that saying she would. :-\ That’s no way to have a relationship. She calls it “confessional writing,” but I have to disagree with her. It crosses the line from confessional to vindictive if she’s using it to hurt their feelings. She says she’s not doing anything wrong but then uses her right to write about her own experiences to belittle others. I actually like a lot of Taylor Swift’s songs, but the context that she writes them in is disgustingly passive aggressive and a huge step back for feminism I think. It doesn’t matter that I have a well-reasoned argument against her behavior, no matter that if a man did what she does he would be labeled a pig, I would be labeled a sexist/anti-feminist for having a bad word to say about TSwift.

        As for Arya, I love her. Yes, she is a completely different character from Sansa. And she’s def rash, she doesn’t really plan things out. But there’s a raw anger and urgency for action I identify with in Arya, even if I’m more of a Sansa altogether. What’s also great about Arya is she’s NOT a bully like Ginny. I think she’s a good example of an outspoken person who knows her limits, although she does like to test them. I personally feel like Arya thinks she’s more skilled with Needle than she actually is bc she hasn’t actually had that much training/experience, but alas, such is youth. (I was literally yelling at my screen when Arya was trying to will herself to throw Needle into the ocean. “No, Arya! Bad! You turn right back around and hide that sword somewhere! Jon made that for you! Jon MADE that for you!!” I was a nut.) But to bring it back around to Ginny; I remember how Arya treated Sansa, and it was typical sister stuff: they were complete opposites and didn’t get along, but she wasn’t belittling and humiliating to Sansa (like Ginny is to Ron, even when she knows he’s already feeling down). Then there was Hotpie and that red-headed farmer’s kid that The Hound killed who Arya was friends with. Neither of them were aggressive or skilled at combat, but Arya was friends with them bc she liked them. She def spoke her mind to Hotpie if I remember correctly, but she didn’t have to be a bitch to get her thoughts across bc she IS strong. And I think that is such an important difference to make with characters and real people alike. There is never a time that Ginny is disagreeing with someone and doesn’t talk to them like they deserve to stop sharing oxygen with her. And that just shows what kind of person she is. But Arya can speak forcefully about what she wants and believes without making people feel like shit about themselves, and that’s a big plus in my book. She’s an especially good example bc she’s a teenager and younger than Ginny when she started making much bigger decisions than Ginny has ever made, and gone through a lot worse shit, and yet she is so much more mature than Ginny. I guess the argument could be made that they’re different people in different circumstances, but I don’t really buy it.

        So to sum up, I truly don’t know what people are seeing when they look at Ginny and think she is strong and awesome. I can only think that it’s bc there are just so many different types of people in the world and we all have different perspectives, but I’m just saying, I’m steering clear of people like Ginny if I can help it. I don’t trust her as far as I can throw her (and I can’t, bc she’s a fictional character 😉 ).

      • Amy Rae says:

        Are you in my brain? You have just perfectly captured EVERYTHING I detest about Taylor Swift and what she has done to feminism. Let’s not forget her notorious slut shaming, or “do as I say, not as I do attitude!” Her image is incredibly manufactured to be virginal and pure (they’ve gone up a notch since her early, country Girl Next Door days). She is shown in white, as a vulnerable but powerful woman … who happens to use men for her career. There is a difference between writing from relationship pain and a conduit for raw emotion (Kelly Clarkson, Miley Cyrus, Gotye, even Eminem); the trick is to be inspired by the one relationship, not a relationship per song. She’s toxic, and will indirectly shame other artists — like Miley Cyrus, who at the time was still with Liam Hemsworth — and Katy Perry, who was married to Russel Brand at the time — while completely ignoring her own toxic behaviour. She is the epitome of Ginny Weasley in the music industry.

        I completely respect Arya as a character, though I admit it took me a while to warm to her (that could very well be due to the over zealous fans of hers who hate Sansa). There is vulnerabilty and fragility to Arya hidden deep beneath er tough, warrior front, which I love. She goes through moments of fear, doubt, rage and thirst for vengeance. In no way is she just a cardboard cut-out tomboy tough chick character. And you’re right, any bickering between her in Sansa is believable sibling rivalry, amplifyed by the fact they are such different types of strong women; they are in conflict, but they are never as horrible to each other as Ginny is to Ron or Percy, who she is meant to love.

        I just finished a 13 hour long LOTR binge, and I can’t believe I forgot to give a shout out to Eowyn! Eowyn is an AMAZING strong female character, and I definitely think many female fantasy characters following LOTR are inspired by her.

        Also, Arwen and Galadriel — more deceivingly strong female characters. Galadriel, probably one of the most (if not, the) most powerful forces of Good in Middle-Earth; she is Queen of the elves, but her back story from the Silmarilion is something along the lines of her going through a huge power trip and ending up banished from her land. That scene in FotR is her moment of temptation with great power and her redemption – she overcomes this insane fatal flaw. You go Galadriel!

        And Arwen. Yes, she doesn’t fight. She is not a physical character. Some may even argue she is not a great example of a feminist role model, but I think that is bias overriding subjectivity. Arwen’s soul mate and great love is the king of men, whereas she is from a whole other world and belongs with the elves. Not only does she choose to give up her immortal life, she then lets him go off on an incredible journey/the certainty of war, and she has no way of knowing if he will return alive. Arwen represents EVERY woman – mother or wife – who has to watch her lover/husband/son/father go off to war. There is great pain and grief here, as well as the inner strength to hold on to hope and faith. How can people not recognize this in our times, especially with the foreboding threat of terrorism and war?

        Ginny is neither of these things. She is not a great warrior defying the patriarchy like Eowyn. She is not a powerful yet flawed woman who confronts her demons like Galadriel. Some can say she is like Arwen, in that she waits for Harry, but the comparison is nowhere near as powerful as it is with Arwen and Aragorn.

        The only character you could compare Ginny to, and have her come out in a positive light, is Bella Swan.

      • PK says:

        I haven’t forgotten about this conversation, I’ve just been swamped with clinicals and finals stuff! Over with now though, so I can finally focus on replying! 🙂

        I really cannot stand Taylor Swift, and everything you said about her is true. I used to really loathe Taylor Swift and Ginny Weasley, but now that I’m older I find that I still strongly disagree with both of them but no longer feel such burning passion when I think about them. I’ve realized it’s bc I am past my teen years when all the petty b.s. they both represent no longer feels important. However, I enjoy the conversation. It’s easier to have now that I’m more level-headed lol. I don’t really remember Taylor’s specific comments about Katy Perry or Miley Cyrus, but I have no doubt she would shame them bc they don’t act how she thinks they should act with their sexuality. What b.s. I also can’t stand how she so strongly disapproves of Selena being with Justin but she turns around and dates a bunch of guys who are, according to her songs, just as bad as Justin. I can’t take the double standard. At least Selena keeps going back to Justin bc she loves him. Not that it’s a good thing that she keeps going back, but I’m just saying. Taylor treats men like shit, Selena has one man she can’t make up her mind on, who’s really the bad girl here?

        Lolol I love your last line about Ginny vs. Bella bc it’s true, and I love your assessment of the three main women from LotR! I knew there were reasons I loved each of them, but I’d never fully thought it out like that. I agree with all three of your points, and I just want to say that I really appreciate how well Eowyn’s character is developed in as little screen time as she gets. Also, it had never crossed my mind to think of Arwen as weak bc she was not a warrior, although I see now how other ppl could think that. To me it was always so obvious to me that she was a strong character in her own right, even though her backstory is not delved into like it is in the books. I totally shipped Arwen/Aragorn based on what we saw in FotR, and was miffed when Eowyn was introduced in the second movie (although I quickly learned to like her as a character). It always seemed so obvious to me that A&A were meant for each other. The implication that they had a long and intimate history got across really well on screen I thought, which is why I totally understood Aragorn not being tempted even by a woman as awesome as Eowyn. I just think it’s such a great thing when canon ships are presented and explored well, which is why I’m still offended 11 years later about Harry/Ginny. Don’t insult my intelligence by trying to force feed me something you weren’t willing (or able, maybe) to put adequate effort into. I think a good example of a relationship that lead to romance being built well over the course of several years is Castle and Beckett from the tv show Castle. I will always go back to that when I want to demonstrate how it should be done, but I don’t really want to go into it right now, although I could if you wanted me to. (I also have an entire analysis of the Order of the Phoenix movie and why it is the best movie of the series as far as movies are made even though it leaves a ton out from the book, but no one likes to hear that one bc the OotP movie was so disappointing. I still think my analysis is good though.)

        I agree that Arwen and Ginny are very different characters and one is strong while the other is not, even though they essentially go through the same thing. I think your description of Arwen being the representation of women who wait was very good. Arwen understood the consequences of every action she took, and when she found out her father essentially robbed her of her future, she risked her own life–her eternal life–to change her circumstances so she could be with the man she loved. That is strength, to know you might not succeed, to know the man you’re fighting for may never even know what you’ve gone through to be with him, and to do it anyway bc you are so filled with conviction about what you want. Ginny is not that woman. She formed herself in a way that she thought would be pleasing to Harry bc goddamn they didn’t even have any sort of connection and she couldn’t just move on from a childhood crush, so she formed her entire teen years around Harry. Bear with me for my assessment of Ginny waiting for Harry, bc this is definitely my perception of the character and my opinion coming into play–but I found it very annoying that when Harry told Ginny he had to go off on his own, all she said was essentially, “All right then.” Based on what we’d learned about Ginny’s personality in HBP, I thought this was a ridiculous response. I didn’t believe for a second that she really understood his motivations or reasonings, and only said she did bc she wanted to keep him as her man. It also infuriates me that she wouldn’t CARE more that the (supposed) love of her life was leaving her. I mean, does this girl have any other emotions besides anger and indifference? Even now that I’m older and actively trying to understand, if not like, her character, I still read this scene this way. It’s the same as when she was trying to be chill and confident to get Harry’s attention, but now she’s trying to keep it. And that’s the problem with Ginny’s character after the early books where she’s adorable and genuine–everything we see her do is a calculated move to be cool in order to get Harry’s attention, instead of just coming into her own to discover herself like a regular teenager. I understand how her character…change could be mistaken as actual development, except she says that’s exactly what she did, when she tells Harry about Hermione’s advice, and that is not good for any person. She never says she did it for herself, it was ALWAYS for Harry, and that to me is a weak woman.

        I hope this response was an adequate reply to your epic LotR-infused post and will continue the conversation. 🙂

        P.S.:

        What is your opinion of the Hobbit movies? I quite hated the first one the first time I saw it and wasn’t even going to watch the others, until I finally convinced myself that I should bc it was Tolkien, after all, and also bc I love Martin Freeman and Richard Armitage. I think the third one is the best Movie, but that they’re all really overblown and epic without the heart and sense of urgency that the original trilogy had. I was also EXTREMELY irked by the idiotic love triangle as well, not to mention the pointless-outside-of-the-triangle character of Tauriel, although she wasn’t actually a bad character. But upon repeated rewatch (I had cable at the time and watched them several more times on HBO) I saw some glimpses of the warmth and camaraderie that so infused the first trilogy, which was helped along when I delved into fandom/fan fiction. Even in fan fiction Kili/Tauriel isn’t so bad and can be written well, and Bagginshield is my liiiiife (I swear I didn’t mean to ship it, it just…happened–added bonus, Sigrid/Fili fic is totally random but surprisingly good), so the Hobbit franchise, even for its many plot- and believability-related faults, is redeemable for me. (Also it has Bard the Bowman aka Luke Evans and he is my man.) I have no way of bringing this back around to any Harry Potter-related subject, this is me just shamelessly wanting to know your opinion on the Hobbit movies. 😀

  25. Stephanie says:

    I enjoyed book Ginny, not movie Ginny, though bonnie is a great actress, she just wasn’t given the chance to show it.that being said, it seems like any time there is a strong, independent, funny, pretty, easy going character, people (women) always seem to view said character as a bitch. I.didn’t think she was bitchy at all. Perhaps she was jealous of fluer as everyone including harry thought she was beautiful. That just goes to show that she’s insecure like most girls her age are. Any time a girl is liked and popular they’re always considered to be a know it all bitch and it’s ridiculous.what teenage girl isn’t boy crazy? Fluer also said and did things that were rude IE.whipping her hair across Mrs Weasleys face. She acted as any young girl would act. You say she’s a bully, but look at some of the comments the people on here have made. Hypocrisy at it’s finest.

    • Amy Rae says:

      “it seems like any time there is a strong, independent, funny, pretty, easy going character, people (women) always seem to view said character as a bitch.”

      I honestly agree with this statement; doesn’t mean I think it’s fair this happens, but it DOES happen and needs to stop. I want to throw out some examples of strong female characters — who are considered by some to be bitches — but I quite enjoyed.

      Buffy Summers (my idol), Hermione Granger (yeah, there are definitely people who hate her, too, for their own reasons), Rose Hathaway from Vampire Academy, Katniss Everdeen, Mimi from Digimon (maybe not a super relevant example, but her strengths are always ignored and she is misconstrued as a rude spoiled airhead), Clary from Mortal Instruments (hate the books, but don’t hate the character).

      Back to your comment, I do say Ginny is a bully — but I presented my argument in a fair and non flammatory way. If other people want to be a bit more… zealous with their comments, I only approve the ones that aren’t outright hateful (I have deleted a few comments that cross a line from character critique to vicious bullying of a fictional character, like torture porn death fantasies). Oh, joys of the internet.

  26. Stephanie says:

    As for.Ginny snapping at hermione, she was defending the boy she was in love with. And she was right to an extent. Hermione can be quite a know it all as well, yet no one seems to take issue with it.

    • Amy Rae says:

      I can definitely see how at times in the later books, Hermione is still that insufferable know-it-all from first year. I guess I don’t take much issue with it, because she is such a multi-faceted character that her flaws are balanced out with good qualities.

  27. Zarni says:

    This post is hilarious.

    The point is that Ginny never changed. ONLY Harry’s perception changed.

    Also, anyone that thinks Ginny is not a real character doesn’t remember how people suddenly bloomed back in high school.

    I would be willing to bet that just about everyone that doesn’t like her is 30 or older and simply doesn’t remember being young.

    • Amy Rae says:

      Okay, I can usually take on board the argument that Ginny’s changes are all due to Harry’s perception of her; doesn’t change the fact that in the later books, he sees her for a typical popular mean girl bully.

      Furthermore, the whole “anyone who doesn’t like her is 30 or older”, LOL. I wrote this post in my first year out of high school, when I was 18-19; so, that whole “doesn’t remember being young” spiel is a bit bullshit, seeing as high school was still very fresh in my mind. Hell, I even acknowledged in this post how some of her early behaviour can be put down to being young and immature (eg. the Yule Ball).

      I’m now 22 and still find her to be my most hated character.

      • S says:

        Ginny isn’t a bully, we haven’t been reading the same books. We never see her bully anyone like James bullied Snape. If anything, she was only responding to harrassment (such as with Zacharias and Fleur).

        And no, Harry doesn’t see her as a bully, he constantly has a positive perception of her.

    • rial882013 says:

      I disagree with that comment about Fleur trying to sneakily bait or be bitchy to Ginny. First off, Fleur is planning her own wedding, you know, that thing that a lot of women go Bridezilla over the smallest of details? Do you see Fleur putting in tantrums or demanding that certain things work like such and such? No. She’s acting very calm and very rational. She and Bill chose their bridesmaids and they’re both their sisters, keeping it in the family just like best men are his brothers.

      Considering how much planning goes into a wedding, even a small one, things like color schemes and your bridesmaids dresses not clashing with each other’s coloring is in fact a big deal. I should know, I was at a wedding and it was a nightmare for three bridesmaids whose coloring made finding a dress where they wouldn’t clash with one bridesmaid’s hair or skin-tone (I think one had blue-undertone while another had yellow-undertone). Fleur talking about what sort of dress would suit BOTH Ginny (a pale redhead) and Gabrielle (a peachy golden blonde). Ever tried that? Because it’s no easy feat and requires a lot of trial and error and being honest about what clashes with one hair color versus another (bright reds are notoriously hard to combine). Personally, I would’ve played it safe and gone for a forest green dress (a color that works beautifully with both blondes and redheads) but chances are someone said something about Slytherin colors and Fleur gave up. If Fleur did want to be bitchy, she could’ve simply had chosen a bridesmaid dress that complemented Gabrielle’s coloring only and had Ginny in a dress that clashed with her hair simply because she had enough of Ginny’s comments.

      So, we have a would-be-bride who is planning her own wedding with little input from a reluctant future mother-in-law who makes it pretty clear that she doesn’t want the wedding to happen (at least, not with Fleur) and a potential sister-in-law bitchily making comments about her, her accent, the way she walks…. everything. Most women, no matter how much they loved their fiancé, would have a moment where they wonder if it’s actually worth it to get married at all if this is how your in-laws are going to act all the damned time.

      The fact that Fleur puts up with it without saying anything to anyone says a lot more about her and how much she loves Bill than anything.

      And I disagree with Ginny not getting away with her comments, she does. Molly barely puts up with a token protest and no one else says anything. She just continues on being a terrible person to Fleur with impunity.

      Just because someone’s target for bitchy comments is naturally beautiful and has men turning heads does not make the beautiful person bad or terrible. Sure, Fleur has the Veela thing, but it’s not like she can fully turn it off. What is she supposed to do? Apologize for it? That’s like the equivalent of apologizing for existing or being born a Veela. Best to just ignore what effect it has on her male in-laws and move on and hope they build up immunity. Besides, as far as she knows, Harry’s kind of immune to the Veela charm anyway (per GoF), so she treats him like she would a brother because of that.

      I would not construe any of Fleur’s interactions with the Weasleys as harassment in any way. If anything, she’s made to feel unwelcome until the end of HBP when she finally says “screw you, you’re not getting rid of me or scaring me off of Bill or using this as an excuse for us not to get married!”

      As for that bat-boogey hex incident where Ginny was rewarded with an invitation to the Slug Club, Zacharias Smith was, at most, pestering for answers about what the hell happened at the DoM. Before anyone says it’s none of his business, last I checked, EVERYONE’S lives were going to drastically change BECAUSE of that incident. On top of that, Rita Skeeter and the Daily Prophet have been proven to be the Ministry’s mouthpieces the year before. Of course he’s gonna prefer asking someone who was there rather than read the prophet while crossing his fingers that they’re being honest. That’s not harassment. In fact, Ginny outright says he was annoying her. So, she hexed someone, and not a kiddie-doesn’t-really-cause-actual-pain-hurt hex like the jelly-legs jinx, but the bat-boogey because he annoyed her.

      Now imagine if Ginny was born a Gideon and Zacharias was born Zafira. Gideon just hexed Zafira for annoyingly asking him about what happened last year that resulted in multiple Death Eater arrests, Umbridge’s resignation, and Scrimegeour’s new “safety procedures” on top of the disappearances going on.

      Yes. Clearly it was a provoked reaction. Zacharias can be as annoying as he wants, but that’s not such a terrible crime that he deserves to be attacked like that.

      Even that time when Ginny launched herself at the commentator’s box and gave him a concussion wasn’t warranted. Was Zacharias a nasty ref to the Gryffindors? Yeah. You know what’s funny? Lee Jordan was also a nasty ref to the Slytherins. He could outright call them bastards or worse and yet not a single Slytherin ever once attacked the commentator’s box in spite of being “the team of cheaters and brutes” by reputation.

      Again, sorry, but no. Ginny was not harassed or singled out in any one of these instances.

      And no, it’s not the same as Hermione (an adolescent) doing something about Rita (the adult) who is in fact exploiting her equally legal minor friend and his life. Since it seems that the Wizarding World doesn’t have libel laws, it was either the jar or Azkaban, because nothing else would’ve stopped Rita from spying and harassing and generally exploiting Harry.

      • Thirdxas says:

        With regard to Fleur, I should already point out that Ginny was not the only one to react negatively to Fleur. So did Molly and yes, even Hermione. Not only in HBP, but also in GoF! But as usual, it’s always Ginny who is singled out, even when the others do similar or worse and that Ginny do not start it herself. But already we need some context to this. There is a reason as to which Ginny thinks negatively of Fleur. And Ginny even states it herself. It’s the way she treats me – you’d think I was about three!” Moreover, we also have canon proof as to what Fleur was doing and her attitude, criticising everything, being patronising, rude, arrogant, etc. We even saw this in GoF also! However, when it’s Ginny who points it out, Fleur should be defended against the mad bitch. When it’s Hermione, “noooooo she’s justified, Fleur is being rude, arrogant, patronising, etc.” We also sided with Harry in GoF. Why the rapid change of the fandom when it’s Ginny? Also, Ginny was not mocking Fleur’s culture or her heritage. She was mocking Fleur’s whole attitude that underpinned her accent. I seem to remember Hermione approving, if not actually using “Phlegm” as nickname for Fleur.

        Are you seriously trying to defend Zacharias Smith? Let’s just go back and look at the facts rather than imagining headcanons that have absolutely nothing to do with what actually happened. What was Smith’s personality that we knew BEFORE the sixth book? We know that he was rude, aggressive, intrusive, disregarding of other people and their feelings, as shown by his demanding of Harry to tell everyone of his experience at the graveyard in GoF. You get the picture. All that was shown to us in the fifth book especially in the Hogs Head. Ginny knows this of course, since she was there at the Hogs Head and in the other DA meetings in the Room of Requirement. Let’s go back and see what happened in the department of mysteries from Ginny’s perspective. She was attacked, as well as her friends, her life was in danger, they were almost murdered, Sirius was murdered, and to add to that, Voldemort was there, who had possessed her in her first year. This of course would be a traumatic event for the ones involved. So what happens in the Hogwarts express in HBP? Smith kept asking Ginny, HARASSING her. He didn’t just ask once and leave it there. He kept asking Ginny until she lost her temper and hexed him. But many people in the fandom just try and find any excuse to hate on Ginny, right? I mean, does it really matter that Ginny does not want to relive the traumatic experience a few months back. No, let’s just bash on Ginny for being a bitch and cry for the tremendous amount of violent ABUSE that Zacharias Smith suffered at her hands. He’s another of Ginny’s victims in her quest to become the most popular girl at Hogwarts…

        Crashing the broom was exaggerated yes. But you can’t use that as proof that Ginny is SUPER VIOLENT OMG. Everyone in the Wizarding World was violent at some point , somtimes more justified than others. And no Hermione has done bad things too, not just with Rita. You can’t whine about a few little things that Ginny does and overlook the bigger things Hermione has done, even if they did have a “justifiable” reason.

        “her sense of self-entitlement”,

        citation needed.
        “her arrogance”

        citation needed.

        “especially how she can get so damned violent”

        addressed above

      • rial882013 says:

        This is in reply to the one who replied because lack of reply button.

        On Fleur. You’ll note that I was also criticizing Molly as well for making Fleur, Bill’s fiancé, unwelcome without even trying to at least find a common ground because, again, her son loves her and she loves him and they were getting married. I don’t like it or condone it either. Heck, I don’t condone Hermione’s hate-on for Fleur either and found it ridiculous and unnecessary and petty. In this case, all three of them were acting like jerks, Molly was only acting somewhat civil out of politeness.

        By the way, just because I am not fond of Ginny as a character doesn’t automatically mean I’m a Hermione/Harry shipper (ugh, pseudo-incest at this point) or that I put Hermione on a pedestal. My criticism of Ginny isn’t a comparison to make Hermione look good, I’ve never even mentioned her prior to this post.

        SOME scenes in the books (not the movies, sadly) show where Hermione’s flaws are perceived as such and even called out (so the narrative does it for me and I don’t feel like it’s trying to make me think someone’s flaws are a good thing and virtuous. People have flaws that are called out and virtues that are lauded.) To this day, I still find that scene with Lavender’s dead bunny in PoA one of the best Hermione scenes because it showcases her virtues and talents (analytical and not taken in with mysticism and could decode things quick) while also showing her flaws and being called out on being insensitive to others’ feelings.

        But yes, if it makes you feel better, I am among those that believe that Hermione went too far with Marietta (esp since she was told by her mom to do it. Sorry but Harry is not someone she trusts in the first place and there was pressure at home and her family would have paid the price if Umbridge found her out). If Hermione was afraid of people talking, it would have been better to A) give a clear warning on consequences and B) make a plan for people who felt that the risks and problems that come with being a part of an illegal club are not worth it and want out (while staying neutral and silent).

        Considering what Umbridge and Rita were doing, Hermione’s ruthlessness is proportionate retribution. Hermione’s curse on Marietta, considering how much of a legitimate risk to themselves and their families with ministry jobs the students were taking, was disproportionate.

        Granted, that’s nothing compared to movie!Harry who publicly repudiated Cho for talking to Umbridge when it was very clear through body-language that she was roughed up and probably talked under blood-quill-induced-torture (if not Crucio since Umbridge proved to be very willing to use it). That was basically the moment I gave up on movie!Harry for the self-centered asshole he is. But, again, this is movie-verse so… yeah, you can ignore this paragraph.

        If Ginny can change from CoS shy fangirl to OotP Ginny off-screen because it’s Harry’s POV and he didn’t pay attention (a part that I can accept because he’s hardly the most observant of people), then the same can go to characters like Fleur or Zacharias (or better yet, Harry doesn’t really know them beyond the superficial).

        Fleur was a tourist and a competitor on top of being a teenager running her mouth off still in school. I know two years out of school don’t seem like much to people, but IT IS a lot and does produce change in someone’s personality. You’re no longer doing the same thing you’ve done for years and the people you talk to are not the same because you’ve gone elsewhere. On top of that, Fleur and Viktor, in spite of not being at the graveyard, were both traumatized by Cedric’s death on top of whatever Imperio-ed Viktor did to her/being Imperio-ed by Crouch. By HBP, Fleur has lived and worked in England for at least a year and a half, that sort of change would obviously produce a change in her and her competitive attitude about England and the English. Not to mention the whole last task and the Gabrielle task had already given her a taste of humble pie.

        If you can’t accept that Fleur changed off-screen during these moments, then Ginny could not have changed off-screen after the traumatic possession event. You can’t have one without the other.

        And Ginny SAYS that “Fleur treats her like a 3 year old” but we don’t SEE it. It’s the big major problem with Rowling’s writing regarding this character. We’re never SHOWN these things while expected to take Ginny at her word when the Ginny of OotP might as well be a whole new character that came out from the background. In the text, Rowling had a chance to show us Fleur treating Ginny like a three year old (either naturally or as revenge for Ginny’s comments) but she didn’t, even in cases when Fleur thinks Harry or others aren’t watching.

        The show vs tell thing is one of the main ingredients for why Ginny doesn’t work as a character for so many people in the first place.

        Meanwhile, on Zacharias. I can admit your point that Ginny is traumatized by the event and doesn’t want to talk and perhaps he should have asked a level-headed member who went. It still doesn’t excuse Ginny attacking him just like that.

        Even if there was a cause, she was still attacking him constantly and she basically acted all “he annoyed me so I hexed him” all calm as a cucumber. When I first read it, I got a flashback to first year Draco hexing Neville because he annoyed him. That was my knee-jerk echo. It, along with crashing into the commentator’s box as petty revenge even the Slytherin team didn’t stoop to, cemented her as a violent maniac rather than “oooh, that cool girl who is so badass and doesn’t take shit” effect Rowling was going for. Again, Rowling’s attempts to make Ginny the “cool girl” worked against her.

        But say I accept that she was traumatized and reacted badly and doesn’t want to acknowledge the former. Fine. It’s accepted. It still doesn’t change the fact that the spell she used to “shut him up” was a violent one. Bat-Bogey seems to imply a lot of body modifications to hurt the target. If it had been a weaker hex or something mild like the jellylegs jinx or something, it wouldn’t be as bad. But because this was the off-screen moment Rowling chose to showcase Ginny’s “fierce” and “combat prowess” side, it smells of very uncomfortable Highly Disproportionate Retribution.

        Sorry, but the Female Violence on Male is OK Trope (outside of combat or in real legitimate my life is in danger self-defense) is not one I endorse. The only times that trope is alright with me is in slapstick or extreme parodies like Ranma 1/2 or in places where slapstick violence knows no gender.

        I realize this is subjective and people can have a different opinion than me, but this still remains my opinion.

        What about in OotP Zacharias? Why is he so evil that defending him renders me terrible/insane? Because he’s a skeptic? Because he doesn’t simply believe Harry at his word? Because he decides to stay neutral until he figures out what the hell is going on? Because he decided life is too damned short? (Speaking of, I’m one of those people who consider Harry’s choice to have that flashy duel with Snape and show himself to be the height of irresponsibility since that made Hogwarts, a school full of children, the setting of the Final Battle. I don’t care if thematically and structurally it made sense, Harry still put a castle full of children in danger for little reason when he could’ve delegated and used people to sneak around and get the fang and the Diadem instead)

        Cedric was the Hufflepuff Quidditch Captain on top of a very beloved figure in his house. And then he died and Harry is the only witness. That’d be like if Oliver Wood, during his last year, entered a maze with some people and the only one that came back with his corpse and saw everything is someone you only know by reputation and that reputation is very muddled and confusing and self-contradictory even before the media problems in the summer of OotP. Are you saying that Harry and co. would not have reacted the same and tried to get the real story out of the survivor/witness?

        I doubt that. They’d be just as nosy and aggressive in getting the information, albeit in different ways, but still nosy and aggressive and not caring that the other person doesn’t want to talk (unless they get violent).

        The papers and the media and the propaganda (from either side! Dumbledore himself used Cedric’s death as a cautionary tale on Voldemort) were using Cedric’s death to prove their own points. At this point, ANYTHING any media or political figure said on the subject was suspect by default. The only one who could tell the truth is the one who actually saw it.

        While Zacharias could’ve been more tactful or gentle or mindful that he’s probably talking to someone traumatized (much like with Ginny in HBP), the fact remains that ALL OF HUFFLEPUFF HOUSE DESERVED TO KNOW what really happened to Cedric from the horse’s mouth. The fact that Harry could not really take any skepticism without giving the skeptic a valid reason to believe in him did not make him an effective leader. That’s how you lose potential followers. Rowling had a moment for Harry to earn the loyalty of others by telling what actually happened to them in person. It instead became an attack those who disagree with Harry moment.

        So you asked why I rag on Ginny the most when there are others? Because, for the most part (granted, there’s many times I want to have a rant about Harry and how he’s not called out on his jerkass tendencies as time went on but I digress), other violent or unpleasant characters are called out on their behavior when they do that.

        If Harry Potter where like A Song of Ice and Fire where it’s a story that is kind of realistic in the cause-versus-effects side and good deeds don’t necessarily get rewarded just like bad deeds don’t necessarily get punished, well, unpleasant characters not being at least called out is part of the premise we as readers/viewers accepted.

        Heck, if HP was a parody-comedy like Ranma 1/2 where a good majority of the characters are violent maniacs anyway and that’s all a part of the fun, ok, as a reader/audience I accept it and enjoy the fun.

        Meanwhile, Harry Potter started and ended as a Morality Tale, where good deeds get rewarded and bad deeds gets punished. In spite of JK Rowling attempting to add nuance and make it more realistic and move away from the more simplistic trappings of a Morality Tale, it still followed the idea of good=rewarded, bad=karmic punishment. Evil and violent characters, for the most part, get a karmic punishment. It’s pretty consistent about that.

        Even people who are simply unpleasant get a little bit of karmic punishment or at least get served a humble pie (like Fleur in GoF, hence why she changed her attitude). Ginny is the biggest blip on this.

        If the narrative won’t call her out on her behavior like it would if she had been any other character, then the readers will.

        While there are instances where Hermione and Harry and Ron are not called out on their bad choices/behaviors, there are still other moments where they ARE in fact called out (not as much in Harry’s case, but I digress). So they, as characters, still follow the Morality Tale logic of the world and narrative they live in. Ginny, in being given special treatment from the narrative at all times, does not.

  28. flávia j says:

    I don’t hate Ginny, but I also don’t like her. She’s just a dull character. I always thought Harry should have fallen in love and married to Luna, instead of Ginny, because Luna is a character much more interesting, unique and charismatic than Ginny, in my humble opinion. Ten years later, I hold the same vision.

  29. Drowzzy says:

    Agree with your post. I never cared what Ginny did till HBP. In the first book, I was under the impression that she would later become this famous Harry Potter’s just another smitten fan who happened to be his eventual best friend’s sister. In COS, I believed JKR had simply handed Ginny the responsibility of getting possessed by Voldemort’s memory just to add a missing brick in the wall, probably also due to the lack of other possible candidates not described in the books so far. Ginny’s part could well have been played by Eloise Midgen for all it was worth – wouldn’t have made an ounce of difference to the story.

    In POA, Ginny was not mentioned at all (well, of course she was if you count her ‘shaking like mad’ in the Hogwarts Express after the dementor attack, and handing Harry the get-well card at Madam Pomfrey’s, but do I give a rat’s ass). Again, she was inconspicuously absent from GOF (she got to play Neville’s date, but then again, Susan Bones could have gone out with him for all the difference it made).

    You would be surprised to know that when I first read OOP, I hardly noticed Ginny at all. During discussions, her comments felt more like fillers. I found her to be just another member of the DA, who was simply good at some kind of a hex. So far, she was just another stone statue, standing there doing nothing. No possible foreshadowing yet, though I think I should have found negligible traces in the fifth book. Hell even Ernie Macmillan and Colin Creevey were better defined and foreshadowed. The moment that Colin was introduced in the book, I knew that something worse was going to happen to him as the story progressed (and he did die).

    And then came HBP, and everything went bang out of order. I was treated to copious amounts of Ginnybread which I probably would have let wash over me if it was not for Harry lusting after the delicacy (no offence on gender meant, it’s just the way JKR had portrayed her). I guess I would have lusted after her myself after watching her in the movies (Bonnie Wright is reasonable hot!), but I knew where Harry’s lust was headed. JKR simply couldn’t create a rift between the Weasleys and Harry due to a failed relationship with the youngest one. So, over the later parts of the book, I was force-fed the junk that some would call Hinny romance. Needless to say, I despised it.

    Ginny was made out to be ‘worthy’ of Harry or something. From Harry’s viewpoint, she should still have been Ron’s little sister. I doubt Harry should even have felt physical attraction toward her. Attraction, and in some extreme cases, lust, is quite natural toward someone you haven’t noticed for 5 long years though that someone has hovered around you quite often, and you suddenly see them all grown up. But toward someone whom you already consider a sister/brother! No hint at any sort of attraction for five years and out of nowhere, in the sixth, you suddenly start appreciating their beauty and personality, almost to the point of falling in love (I’m not saying it’s taboo or anything, but it’s just inconceivable, unnatural). I simply could not connect to the Hinny romance. From the POV of feminism, Ginny was a complete disaster (I’ll not delve into that since you have already explained it really well).

    Harry was already a willing part of the Weasley family; there was no need to form some kind of a marital/official alliance which exactly was what JKR was trying to do. The HP saga is not as much about romance as about adventure, but somehow, the other romances (Harry-Cho, Hermione-Ron, Fleur-Bill, Lupin-Tonks, Dumbledore-Grindelwald, Tom-Merope etc.) in the books seemed remarkably natural and were seamlessly incorporated, which helped me concentrate on the bigger story while simultaneously enjoying the romantic relationships. However, the Hinny stuff ruined it for me big time. Not that I gave a shit about Hinny by the time I had finished reading HBP. I simply settled back down to my usual indifference toward Ginny (though I won’t deny that I felt rather nauseous during the epilogue of the final book).

    This was all for the Ginny in the books. Bonnie Wright could hardly have made justice to her role given the poor character development in the books.

    My two cents. Cheers!

  30. Nameless says:

    Ginny Weasley was a pointless character and Rowling said she was important. If that were so then include her in the first book as Ron’s twin it’s perfectly possible to have more than one set of twin in a family so that she can be involved with rest of the important characters. But I guess it show Rowling had no confidence to juggle seven main characters. And I agree that Harry and Ginny should never have gotten together and every time I think about how Harry is suddenly in love with her I just cringe. But I guess Rowling lacks the ability to handle romance too.

  31. C says:

    You hit the nail on the head. I actually liked Ginny cause she was shown as caring towards Luna and Neville and called Harry out on his angst when no one else did but all of a sudden in Book 6, she gets turned into a Mary Sue with so much talent and looks and a fan base! Maybe it was because Harry went from not noticing her to becoming infatuated with her but JK was really forcing it. Then again, Book 6 was my absolute most hated book since it read like a fan fiction — felt like JK was going at a leisurely pace and realize “OH SHOOT” she only had one book left so better get all the couples together. Tonks/Remus was out of nowhere as ell.

  32. C says:

    Forgot to mention: I felt that JK was creating more of a Luna/Harry pairing since she was well developed and had several solo talk with Harry that emphasized how she understood him and how easily she disarmed his natural aggressive defenses with a few choice words. He slowly grew more affectionate for her (enough to later name his daughter Lily Luna). Not saying Luna should’ve ended up with Harry but pointing out that she had more character development and chemistry with Harry than our leading lady.

    I loved Ginny up to Book 5 but after that, she suddenly became the prize perfect girl for Harry that JK forced together because she wanted to tie them together neatly.

  33. Victoria Pratt says:

    I wanted him with Luna. Harry Potter is the only series where I pretty much hated almost every character but still read every book and watched every movie. Only people I like were Fred, George, Luna and Neville. Yup. That’s it. You’ll notice that Harry is not on that list. That was not a mistake. I cheered for him till the end but it was exhausting.
    It was very difficult but I kept hoping and hoping that Harry and Luna would get together somehow and my hopes rose up when Ginny and Harry broke up(I know it was supposed to be a heartbreaking scene or something but I had the hugest grin).
    But then they got back together and had the nerve to name one of their kids after Snape and that’s when I threw the book at the wall.
    I’m pretty picky with my characters as well as people in my life so I should have seen that coming.
    Oh well. I survived. Bring on Fantastic Beasts. Hopefully I’ll enjoy Ilvermorny more. 🙂

    • rial882013 says:

      You’ve hit the nail on the head with a lot of problems I’ve just realized I had with Harry Potter. I feel like, plot-wise, the series hit its peak with GoF and OotP and then it went downhill.

      I remember reading the HP fanfiction while waiting for Book 6 and honestly I liked not only the more true to fantasy style that some ficcers brought to the table, but also they made fanon!Harry someone I could root for by making him more proactive and independent. Granted, you had to slog through the bad fics, but once you did there were a lot of great fics that followed the fantasy novel tropes and expectations a lot better than cannon (for example, for the longest time, I thought that Book 6 was going to be about rescuing Sirius while figuring out the Power Voldy Knows not, the former being because in fantasy, if you don’t see the body, then the character’s NOT dead, just hiding and waiting for the best moment to pull a Big Damned Heroes or Machiavellian Scheme).

      In short, the last two books were a MASSIVE disappointment. HBP being the worst of the lot as, regardless of how anyone feels about the pairings (personally, I LIKE Hermione/Ron and Bill/Fleur as pairings), you still have to admit that the book reads like a high school romcom with a dramatic tragedy subplot that acted as a prologue to DH. Draco Malfoy and his “secret” was the only thing keeping the “plot” moving, to be honest, and that was hardly much of a mystery.

      Honestly, even as a Ronmione shipper, I had to admit to wanting to say “no mas” even when Ron and Hermione were having their own moments in HBP. If nothing else, it would’ve been infinitely more meaningful to have the relationship upgrade AFTER Ron literally slayed his insecurities by destroying the locket (one of the few things I liked about DH).

      In short, HBP was a rough draft that should’ve been completely deleted except for the beginning when Dumbledore lays it on the Dursleys and at the end when we finally learn about the Horcruxes, plus Dumbledore’s death and Draco’s character development. The rest needed a complete rewrite.

  34. Chan says:

    I agree with a lot of what you’ve said, and I think that there’s a lot of problems with Ginny. I think that the problems start from her very purpose in the story and that’s being Harry’s love interest. Ginny was introduced as a fangirl, which is all well and fine but she never grew out of her fangirlism, as shown from her last words to Harry in book 7. Which is a problem when you have Harry moan about how he hates his fame, putting them together undercuts Harry’s complaint. They never make any emotional connection, they got together purely on lust, not because of any kind of romantic feelings. Not to forget it also kinda undercuts the whole idea that the Weasleys love Harry and unconditionally consider him to be family, because the moment Rowling had Harry marry Ginny she made his relationship with the Weasleys conditional.

    As a character in a narrative Ginny serves no real purpose, other than making Harry join the Weasley family, there’s nothing that she brings to the table that you can’t get from other characters and they can’t give you a better version of it. Harry never noticed her but there was never a reason to. I think that if Harry Potter wasn’t so popular Ginny would have ended up as a composite character, but the only thing they’d keep would be her position as love interest.

    Book Ginny was a b**** to Fleur and I was upset that she was never called out on it, even Hermione when she was being especially annoying or wrong the book would call her out on it. I feel as though the changes to her character in the movie were done not just because the director (and also WB) didn’t like the pairing with her and Harry, but also because they realized that book Ginny is a terrible person, and there is a difference between reading about a character who acts like a terrible person and actually watching them acting that way.

    • S says:

      > she never grew out of her fangirlism as shown from her last words to Harry in book 7

      Wrong. In fact she grows out of it in book 2 judging by her extreme change of personality around him. If anything those words actually show how deeply she understands him and their shared experiences and morality.

      > Which is a problem when you have Harry moan about how he hates his fame, putting them together undercuts Harry’s complaint.

      No, that would be the case if JKR had matched Harry with Colin Creevey or Romilda Vane. Vastly different to the Ginny we see in the books.

      > They never make any emotional connection, they got together purely on lust, not because of any kind of romantic feelings.

      Wrong. Obviously there was physical attraction, but the saying goes like this: ‘You don’t love a girl because she is beautiful, she is beautiful because you love her.’ Illustrated perfectly in the last books. Again, read the last scene between them in book 6. There clearly is an emotional connection there, as well as several scenes in books 5 and 7.

      > Not to forget it also kinda undercuts the whole idea that the Weasleys love Harry and unconditionally consider him to be family, because the moment Rowling had Harry marry Ginny she made his relationship with the Weasleys conditional.

      No. Even if they hadn’t got together they would still consider him family.

      > As a character in a narrative Ginny serves no real purpose, other than making Harry join the Weasley family, there’s nothing that she brings to the table that you can’t get from other characters and they can’t give you a better version of it.

      Books 2, 5, 6, and 7 contradict this. If you say that about Ginny, you could also say the same thing about a whole lot of characters.

      > Harry never noticed her but there was never a reason to.

      On the contrary, Harry has always noticed her, even when there was no reason to.

      > I think that if Harry Potter wasn’t so popular Ginny would have ended up as a composite character, but the only thing they’d keep would be her position as love interest.

      Explain this please, I dont understand.

      > Book Ginny was a b**** to Fleur and I was upset that she was never called out on it

      Wrong. It was Fleur who was constantly being condescending and rude to Ginny. Ginny says so herself “It’s the way she talks to me, you’d think i was three!” And not only to her, since there is proof elsewhere, such as to Hermione and other Weasleys, and about Hogwarts too in book 4. So don’t single out Ginny just because it suits your narrative.

      > even Hermione when she was being especially annoying or wrong the book would call her out on it.

      Except that Hermione isn’t seen through rose tinted glasses because Harry isn’t in love with her, when he is with Ginny. that’s the only reason why, Hermione would have suffered the same treatment if JKR had made Harry and Hermione pair up.

      > I feel as though the changes to her character in the movie were done not just because the director (and also WB) didn’t like the pairing with her and Harry, but also because they realized that book Ginny is a terrible person

      So you single Ginny out just based on a few bad moments? By that standard, Hermione, Harry, Ron and others should also be considered “terrible people”.

      • Chan says:

        >Wrong. In fact she grows out of it in book 2 judging by her extreme change of personality around him.
        Actually you’re wrong. In book 2 was when she was still obsessed with him considering that love letter she sent him, and how she couldn’t even talk to him at the breakfast table. To make things worse Ginny outright admits that she never stopped liking Harry, and considering the fact that she has had very little interaction with him there is no chance for her attraction to grow into something genuine. Also her final words in book 7 also destroy any benefit of doubt that one may have afforded her originally concerning this since she says “You’ll never happy unless you chase Voldemort” which isn’t something that anyone who knew or understood Harry as a person would say unless they had a very skewed idea on who Harry was. On that same subject Harry and Ginny actually never talk on an emotional level as their interactions consist of either Harry ignoring her or sucking her face.

        >No, that would be the case if JKR had matched Harry with Colin Creevey or Romilda Vane. Vastly different to the Ginny we see in the books.
        And Ginny because she’s no different from those two she’s still a fangirl.

        >Books 2, 5, 6, and 7 contradict this. If you say that about Ginny, you could also say the same thing about a whole lot of characters.
        You keep bringing up book 2, but in reality it doesn’t help your point just the opposite, since Ginny actually couldn’t talk to Harry in that book, you’re actually contradicting yourself by bringing it up, since it’s pretty much pointed out that she’s a fangirl in that book. In Book 5 Ginny doesn’t anything beside remind Harry that he isn’t the only one who was possessed by Voldemort, otherwise Harry doesn’t interact with her. In book 6 Ginny outright says that she never stopped hoping that Harry would notice her, and again considering how her crush on Harry was always framed as a celebrity crush it undercuts any validity to the idea that it was genuine. And in book 7 well see the above reply I gave about it. So no there isn’t anything in the books contradict what I’m saying.

        >On the contrary, Harry has always noticed her, even when there was no reason to.
        No he didn’t, Ginny was always just Ron’s little sister to Harry until book 6. He never noticed her until then, in fact he never even thought to ask her out to the Yule Ball, he was too busy crushing on Cho.

        >Explain this please, I dont understand.
        Frequently when adaptations are made things are removed combined and change to better suit the change in medium. Because casting actors is expensive it’s not uncommon for the studio to combine two characters into one to get rid of the headaches. Harry Potter actually escaped this due to the popularity of the books and the movies coming out in tandem to the book releases, if a character doesn’t do much in a story then they are liable to end up being combined with another character to take up that role, espeically when that character doens’t do much. Like the Red Queen and the Queen of Hearts in Alice in Wonderland, or Captain America’s original love interest in the comics. If a character doesn’t do much in the story then in order to save time and money they will combine them with another character. Ginny doesn’t do much of anything and the most she did was get captured in book 2, however it doesn’t matter WHO got captured. Harry would go to rescue them regardless of who they were, and Ginny doesn’t do anything from books 3-5 that other characters don’t or can’t do. In book 6 she’s just a love interest, but there isn’t any development for the relationship, and in book 7 she only shows at the beginning of the book but otherwise has no speaking lines. If we’re old enough to see a remake of the movies then it’s likely that 1. they won’t be 7 movies long and 2. Ginny would get written out in favor of saving time and money.

        >Wrong. It was Fleur who was constantly being condescending and rude to Ginny.
        Except we never saw Fleur acting like a b****, we only saw Molly disapprove of Fleur for being a Veela and disproving of everything about Fleur (despite the fact that it wasn’t her wedding), and Ginny attempting to justify her behavior by claiming that Fleur was treating her like a child. Thing is though, this was never shown, what was shown was Ginny acting like a brat, and then claiming that Fleur started it, but for all we know Ginny may be lying out of jealously since it isn’t uncommon for little girls her age to hate whatever girl marries their older brother. But it’s something that the little sister has to get over, it’s not something that should be blamed on others.

        On the subject of Hermione, Ron and Harry like others pointed out, they are main characters who we have seen more of their personalities both good and bad, because they’ve had the time to develop. So they can show more of their negative aspects simply because they’ve had time to show their positive aspects as well. Also (most in the case of Harry and Hermione) they’ve been called out on their bullshit on the regular. Ginny on the other hand isn’t a main character she isn’t even a major character. Ginny is a side character we don’t see much of her, so therefore it stands out much more when she, a side character shows the negative aspects of her personality especially in the only book where Rowling made her stand out because there is very little in the way of positive aspects to undercut it. What ends up happening is that you end up in your place, you attempt to make excuses for her negative aspects based not on the books but on your own interpretation.

      • S says:

        > In book 2 was when she was still obsessed with him considering that love letter she sent him, and how she couldn’t even talk to him at the breakfast table.

        That still doesn’t mean she was a fangirl. Look at the difference between her reaction to him in book 1, and her reaction to him in book 2. It is a complete 180. Someone who was hero-worshipping Harry would behave like Ginny in book 1, or Colin in book 2, or Romilda in book 6.

        > To make things worse Ginny outright admits that she never stopped liking Harry, and considering the fact that she has had very little interaction with him there is no chance for her attraction to grow into something genuine.

        Her crush on him doesn’t start in book 1, it starts in book 2. Harry even says so himself in book 4. That goes against the whole “Ginny has been a fangirl for her whole life” narrative.

        And you are right about the little interaction between them until book 4. But starting from book 5 this is no longer the case. So it did indeed grow into something genuine.

        > Also her final words in book 7 also destroy any benefit of doubt that one may have afforded her originally concerning this since she says “You’ll never happy unless you chase Voldemort” which isn’t something that anyone who knew or understood Harry as a person would say unless they had a very skewed idea on who Harry was.

        You’re taking her “happy” comment way too literally. It doesn’t mean that Ginny think Harry is going off with a great smiling face to hunt down Voldemort. It means she understands that his morality will not permit him to leave the job undone, to let Voldemort carry on with his rampage. It shows that she respects him as someone who is willing to do what’s right. While she may not agree with his reasons for leaving her, she definitely understands them, as they have similar experiences and a shared morality.

        > On that same subject Harry and Ginny actually never talk on an emotional level as their interactions consist of either Harry ignoring her or sucking her face.

        That’s proven wrong several times in the three last books.

        > And Ginny because she’s no different from those two she’s still a fangirl.

        How was she “no different”? She wasn’t constantly clinging and squealing at Harry, in fact quite the opposite, she was reserved and shy. Not a fangirl.

        > You keep bringing up book 2, but in reality it doesn’t help your point just the opposite, since Ginny actually couldn’t talk to Harry in that book, you’re actually contradicting yourself by bringing it up, since it’s pretty much pointed out that she’s a fangirl in that book.

        You were talking about the general plot. I wasn’t talking there about her interaction with Harry.

        > In Book 5 Ginny doesn’t anything beside remind Harry that he isn’t the only one who was possessed by Voldemort, otherwise Harry doesn’t interact with her.

        No, there are several other interactions between them in book 5.

        > No he didn’t, Ginny was always just Ron’s little sister to Harry until book 6. He never noticed her until then, in fact he never even thought to ask her out to the Yule Ball, he was too busy crushing on Cho.

        He may have not noticed her romantically until book 6, but he did still notice her. And actually she was Ron’s sister until book 5 which is when his view changes

        > Frequently when adaptations are made things are removed combined and change to better suit the change in medium.

        Except that Ginny’s reduction in the movies was not because of this, it was because of the film makers utter bias for Hermione and the Harry/Hermione pairing.

        > Ginny doesn’t do much of anything and the most she did was get captured in book 2, however it doesn’t matter WHO got captured.

        Actually, it does matter that it was Ginny. Look at the reasons for which it was her who was chosen by Lucius, for political reasons as well as wanting to pick the youngest (or female) of the Weasley family; because he would view her as the weakest or most vulnerable.

        > Ginny doesn’t do anything from books 3-5 that other characters don’t or can’t do.

        Again, you can say this about a whole load of characters. you are just trying to diminish the importance of ginny. for example, it didn’t have to be Neville who was almost the chosen one, it could’ve been Ginny. You cannot have it both ways.

        > In book 6 she’s just a love interest, but there isn’t any development for the relationship,

        Just because she fulfills the role of the love interest, doesn’t mean she is “just” that. If so, any other character who Harry would have ended up with would have “suffered” the same fate. And there is development for the relationship, actually in all of the books there is something that contributes to why they end up together.

        > in book 7 she only shows at the beginning of the book but otherwise has no speaking lines

        You can say the same thing about Neville too. We only see one conversation between him and Harry.

        > If we’re old enough to see a remake of the movies then it’s likely that 1. they won’t be 7 movies long and 2. Ginny would get written out in favor of saving time and money.

        Actually it’s likely that they would be showing Ginny more, because the films were only being made four books into the series, when Ginny had less of a role. Now that JKR has included Ginny into the “Big Seven” there is no way she will be cut out.

        > Except we never saw Fleur acting like a b****, we only saw Molly disapprove of Fleur for being a Veela and disproving of everything about Fleur, and Ginny attempting to justify her behavior by claiming that Fleur was treating her like a child. Thing is though, this was never shown, what was shown was Ginny acting like a brat, and then claiming that Fleur started it, but for all we know Ginny may be lying out of jealously since it isn’t uncommon for little girls her age to hate whatever girl marries their older brother. But it’s something that the little sister has to get over, it’s not something that should be blamed on others.

        Again, reread book 4. There is plenty of proof there for Fleur acting very badly, so your claims that Ginny may be lying are unfounded. Knowing Fleur’s personality it is indeed certain that it was her who started the conflict. And no, Ginny doesn’t have to “get over” someone who’s behaving badly not just to her but to others.

        > On the subject of Hermione, Ron and Harry like others pointed out, they are main characters who we have seen more of their personalities both good and bad, because they’ve had the time to develop.

        Agreed. But like I’ve point4ed out, Ginny also has both good and bad, several examples of that in fact.

        > So they can show more of their negative aspects simply because they’ve had time to show their positive aspects as well. Also (most in the case of Harry and Hermione) they’ve been called out on their bullshit on the regular.

        Again, if Ginny is portrayed more positively its because of Harry’s rose tinted vision of her. So anyone who would have ended up with Harry would have suffered that fate.

        > Ginny on the other hand isn’t a main character she isn’t even a major character. Ginny is a side character we don’t see much of her, so therefore it stands out much more when she, a side character shows the negative aspects of her personality especially in the only book where Rowling made her stand out because there is very little in the way of positive aspects to undercut it.

        She is a major character. As said above, JKR has included her in the “Big Seven”, as well as being in the most mentioned characters, alongside McGonagall, Neville, and far more mentioned than Luna.

        There are quite a few positive examples, such as her cheering Ron up after asking Fleur out, comforting the girl in the battle, standing up to fascist murderers with her friends, standing up for Harry in Flourish and blotts, etc.

        Ginny is a three-dimensional character, there arent two ways about it.

        > What ends up happening is that you end up in your place, you attempt to make excuses for her negative aspects based not on the books but on your own interpretation.

        I didn’t make excuses. I pointed out the facts. Everything said was based on the books. For example, saying that Ginny may be lying about Fleur’s personality despite it being represented not just in book 6, but book 4 too, is not based on the books, but your false interpretation. Thinking that Ginny was a fangirl for her whole school life is also not based on the books.

  35. Johnny says:

    I read the books as they came out, as a kid starting at about age 7. Which is how they were intended and the best way, as they gradually get darker as you get older.

    So, being a kid, I pronounced Ginny wrong. I was saying Gih-nee. Not Jin-ee. So when I found out (around book 4 or 5 or something) it was Jin-ee, I was kind of miffed.

    Also, growing up with the books, I originally saw Ginny as a kind of annoying little sister, or fangirl – you can imagine posters of boybands on her wall or something. (In fact, I seem to remember in one of the books Harry does notice posters of a band on her wall.)
    The thing is, 11-year-old fangirls grow out of it, and never actually end up with Donny Osmond. It’s just weird and reasonably unnatural, actually. You grow out of preteen crushes.

    Then also around book 5 onwards, Ginny becomes really dislikable. She is mean to Fleur, she is sarcastic and kind of holier-than-thou, she is fairly nasty to Ron, she goes out with what seems like dozens of boys and somehow still has that preteen fangirl thing for Harry? Who she is also kind of a bitch to as well, to boot. She even lashes out at Hermione!! “Oh shut up, you don’t understand Quidditch”. It’s over the top and quite uncalled for.

    Then also, the actual romance between Harry and her is kind of out the blue in book 6. There was next to nothing in the previous 5 books to indicate he saw her as anything other than a sort of little sister, or just a background character. Even when he rescues her in book 2, it’s more of a sort of brotherly / friend’s duty than prince charming , yknow? I actually thought at the time it would’ve been better for Ron to slay the Basilisk, and give him some ‘screen-time’ so to speak. Because Ron is mostly a bit of a dud, isn’t he?

    Harry fancied Cho Chang for her looks, and then beyond that there’s no indication he had anything for any other girls… Except Luna Lovegood. His attraction to her, as well, isn’t physical ; he likes her personality, her modus operandi if you will. Now, we all know males are attracted to the physical and females more to the mental… but this isn’t strictly true in every case, especially an intelligent, sensitive lad like Harry. He more than once admires Luna in this way. Certainly she is much nicer than Ginny Weasley, who got into the Slug Club for… casting a nasty spell on someone .. annoying her by asking her questions?? I mean… was J.K. trying to make her seem feisty, or something? She really does just seem like a really nasty person.

    Even, as someone says above, her defending of Luna does seem kind of holier-than-thou, and you very much get the feeling – actually you do see evidence – that she laughs at her and calls her Loony. Harry never calls her Loony.

    But alas, I disgress. I’m not, and didn’t intend, to make a Harry-Luna argument to trump a Harry-Ginny one. Actually, Harry-Hermione makes more sense than Harry-Ginny…. But to be entirely honest, and I don’t want to p*** on anyone’s fire here, but Harry shouldn’t have anyone. He’s too battered and broken (come on! He’s been almost killed, like… how many times? Everyone knows him but few people actually like him. He’s been, for the first 10+ years of his life, bullied and basically neglected. He has suffered visions, insomnia, searing head pain, encounters with giant snakes and spiders, and the most powerful, most evil Dark wizard Of All Time keeps popping up in his finals week to kill him!! It’s a wonder he got any O.W.Ls at all!!

    Harry is not boyfriend-material. He shouldn’t have anyone, to be honest – he’s the kind of guy would even feel kind of guilty about having a girlfriend, like it wasn’t for him.

    But back to the actual point… yes, there was one…. somewhere… Yeah. Ginny — the actress, is really wooden. But then, most young actors are — watch Daniel Radcliffe in the first 2/3 Potter films. It’s not his fault – kids just can’t really act the way adults can. But she (Bonnie Wright) did nothing for my impression of Ginny.

    Ginny is actually one of the few characters in J.K.’s world that I genuinely disliked. On first reading, and still now. Harry basically randomly started fancying her in book 6 and I was unimpressed.

    • Amy Rae says:

      You know what, I named my cat Ginny (hate the character, love my cat, and little 12year old me liked the name. Plus this was pre-HBP), and EVERY time I take her to the vet, they pronounce her name Gih-nny with a hard G. Like, whaaat?

      I’d like to imagine Ginny Weasley encountering the same problem, and hexing people in response. She’s just that “feisty “.

    • S says:

      > Also, growing up with the books, I originally saw Ginny as a kind of annoying little sister, or fangirl – you can imagine posters of boybands on her wall or something. The thing is, 11-year-old fangirls grow out of it, and never actually end up with Donny Osmond. It’s just weird and reasonably unnatural, actually. You grow out of preteen crushes.

      I can understand why you saw her as an annoying little sister, because that was Ron’s perspective. But after COS, and definitely after GoF, that vision should have been dispelled with. But the thing is, Ginny isn’t a fangirl. She already had her fan reaction to him in PS/SS, and GoF itself states that her genuine crush (so not a fangirl one, even if still immature) began in CoS, where she had completely different reactions than in PS, as well as to hero worshippers like Colin.

      > Then also around book 5 onwards, Ginny becomes really dislikable. She is mean to Fleur

      Wrong. It was Fleur who was constantly being condescending and rude to Ginny. Ginny says so herself “It’s the way she talks to me, you’d think i was three!” And not only to her, since there is proof elsewhere, such as to Hermione and other Weasleys, and about Hogwarts too in book 4. So don’t single out Ginny just because it suits your narrative.

      > she is sarcastic and kind of holier-than-thou

      Nothing wrong with being sarcastic. Also where did she have a holier than thou attitude? If anything she was not the typical popular girl and had Neville and Luna as her best friends.

      > she is fairly nasty to Ron

      Firstly siblings do have this kind of competitive relationship. Secondly Ron was about to call her a slut, but you don’t mention that, because it’s only Ginny who’s to blame for everything wrong?

      > she goes out with what seems like dozens of boys

      Dozens = 24+
      The actual reality = 2 (Michael and Dean) in two years.
      Where are the dozens?

      > she goes out with what seems like dozens of boys and somehow still has that preteen fangirl thing for Harry?

      No, she doesn’t.

      > Who she is also kind of a bitch to as well, to boot.

      [citation needed]

      > She even lashes out at Hermione!! “Oh shut up, you don’t understand Quidditch”. It’s over the top and quite uncalled for.

      Firstly you talk as if Ginny should look up to Hermione as a superior rather than as an equal. And then you say that Ginny’s the one being condescending?
      Secondly you miss the whole context. It was Hermione herself who (wrongly) brought up Quidditch. Not Ginny. So Ginny should not be blamed for something that Hermione herself brought up. It had nothing to do with the topic and was only used to bring Ginny to Hermione’s side. When it was Harry’s safety and his morale that were the issue here. Hermione should’ve realized that there is more than just Quidditch, especially when she seems to be not interested in it herself in the first place. No, Hermione was primarily interested in having Harry say “yes Hermione, you were right” just to satisfy her own ego.

      > Then also, the actual romance between Harry and her is kind of out the blue in book 6. There was next to nothing in the previous 5 books to indicate he saw her as anything other than a sort of little sister, or just a background character. Even when he rescues her in book 2, it’s more of a sort of brotherly / friend’s duty than prince charming , yknow?

      Wrong. In every single book there is proof leading up to them getting together. You also forget the change of perception he had of Ginny in OoTP.

      > I actually thought at the time it would’ve been better for Ron to slay the Basilisk, and give him some ‘screen-time’ so to speak. Because Ron is mostly a bit of a dud, isn’t he?

      No, he isn’t. One example being sacrificing himself to give checkmate to the king.

      > Harry fancied Cho Chang for her looks, and then beyond that there’s no indication he had anything for any other girls… Except Luna Lovegood. His attraction to her, as well, isn’t physical ; he likes her personality, her modus operandi if you will. Now, we all know males are attracted to the physical and females more to the mental… but this isn’t strictly true in every case, especially an intelligent, sensitive lad like Harry. He more than once admires Luna in this way.

      Now you’re just making stuff up. Where is Harry attracted to Luna in terms of personality? Even he thought that Luna was somewhat out to lunch. He definitely appreciates her as a friend in the later books, but other than that there is not a singlt thing that would put her above Ginny. Also, Harry isn’t flawless.

      > Certainly she is much nicer than Ginny Weasley, who got into the Slug Club for… casting a nasty spell on someone .. annoying her by asking her questions??

      Are you seriously trying to defend Zacharias Smith? What was Smith’s personality that we knew BEFORE the sixth book? We know that he was rude, aggressive, intrusive, disregarding of other people and their feelings, as shown by his demanding of Harry to tell everyone of his experience at the graveyard in GoF. All that was shown to us in the fifth book especially in the Hogs Head. Ginny knows this of course, since she was there at the Hogs Head and in the other DA meetings in the Room of Requirement.

      Let’s go back and see what happened in the department of mysteries from Ginny’s perspective. She was attacked, as well as her friends, her life was in danger, they were almost murdered, Sirius was murdered, and to add to that, Voldemort was there, who had possessed her in her first year. This of course would be a traumatic event for the ones involved. So what happens in the Hogwarts express in HBP? Smith kept asking Ginny, HARASSING her. He didn’t just ask once and leave it there. He kept asking Ginny until she lost her temper and hexed him. But no, let’s just bash on Ginny for being a bitch and cry for the tremendous amount of violent ABUSE that Zacharias Smith suffered at her hands. He’s another of Ginny’s victims in her quest to become the most popular girl at Hogwarts.

      Also, there were questions of national security involved.

      > Even, as someone says above, her defending of Luna does seem kind of holier-than-thou, and you very much get the feeling – actually you do see evidence – that she laughs at her and calls her Loony. Harry never calls her Loony.

      Ginny wasn’t making fun of Luna, it’s probably only Ginny who’s “allowed” to use “Loony” since they seem to have grown up together and become good friends, so when she uses it (only once in the entire series), it’s more of an endearment – when the people from her house use it for example when taking her belongings – that’s definitely something different.

      >I’m not, and didn’t intend, to make a Harry-Luna argument to trump a Harry-Ginny one. Actually, Harry-Hermione makes more sense than Harry-Ginny

      So two characters who see each other as siblings make more sense than two characters who understand each other like soulmates, are physicall attracted to each other, have the same sense of humour and same hobbies?

  36. Arayashiki says:

    Many interesting read thanks to this article, I agree with replies like Chan’s ones. Ginny isn’t sympathic at all, and Rowling don’t know how to show instead of just telling through characters mouth (plus she probably thinks that bully for “good causes” when by the “good side”=popular and totally OK)
    Majority of HP characters are unlikeable because of such bad values, it became more and more obvious books after books to me and hard to excuse.
    What is disturbing is that in-universe prejudice (blood prejudice, mixing racial prejudices) are endorsed by our very heroes throught their actions and thinkings.
    When I read the Quidditch comment by Ginny to Hermione with Harry happy feeling, it was the last stroke to the whole disaster moral trainwreck that is HP. When power dinamycs (in-universe one and out-universe one too) are taken into account to analyse character relations, it can be very disturbing to see these sorts of “incidents” brushed aside as unimportant, or worse, praised in-story. I don’t know anymore what sort of story the author wanted to tell outside of “evil wizard defeated by destined SUE boy, everything in-between is obliviated because it was merely empty trinkets, and statu quo remain as it was from the beginning”. Like someone said in one of the comment, when the author want so badly to make the reader love the “good” characters when they aren’t so different than the “bad” ones, it make me hate them more. She didn’t convinced me as a reader of why I should root for some characters over others except she “tell me to do so”. And because of that inability to write consistent characters, it suspend my capacity to think of the characters as “real people” and not just author tools to tell what she want the reader to believe.
    No real evolution, no real moral challenges and grow.

  37. Rosalind Pindar says:

    Hate is a strong word for me… but I certainly have to agree that she was my least favourite character and certainly from Book 5 onwards started displaying traits of a Mary Sue.
    Oddly enough I liked her in Chamber of Secrets, she was kind of relateable there. Away from home and homesick, awkward and dorky around the boy she had a crush on, there was just something nicer about that Ginny – although I still never shipped her with Harry.

    Book 5, and particularly 6 were absolutely shocking though. She’d suddenly turned into every mean girl that ever picked on you in school and Harry was in love with her. Why? I don’t think we’ll ever know that one. The attraction only ever seems to be on a physical level, or because there’s some weird parallel between Harry’s mum being ginger and Ginny being ginger.

    I agree with one of the comments I read above, there were so many other characters Harry could have ended up with that held much more potential – a few I read like Gabrielle or Amelia Bones were ones I hadn’t even thought of but find myself liking the idea of. I always kind of liked the theoretical example of Luna and Harry, she seemed to be the only character that accepted Harry on face-value, she never caused drama or bossed Harry around, what other characters needed to yell at him, Luna seemed to be able to communicate in small gestures or actions, helping Harry come to the right conclusion himself.

    Ginny was a character I was allowed to be indifferent to in the films as she was in it so little, she was just kind of there and boring, but in the 6th book it’s like your being strong-armed into reading about her every few chapters.

    It felt like she’d been created to be Harry’s ideal soul mate, rather than evolved herself as a character that had gravitated towards him, which meant that when Ginny stood alone she really didn’t have that much character at all, just some pretty judgemental and nasty traits.

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